Yet, they still manage to have concern for Uyghurs, who they didn’t know existed until imperial core propaganda started manufacturing bullshit about them.
I do condemn it. I condemn the US for giving aid to militant jihadist terrorgroups in the Xinjiang province with the purpose of destabilising the region.
I condemn Adrian Zenz and all his ilk for his “divine anti-communist mission” and for pretending to be an expert on a country youve visited once and the language of which you dont speak.
I condemn all the redditors for their sophomoric approach to life where they pretend to be experts on a subject they’ve never investigated beyond the state department propaganda shoved in their face every day.
I condemn China for not being perfect in it’s administration of the anti-radicalisation programmes I guess.
Have you actually read the “report” about the “Uyghur genocide”? Have you read the “Xinjiang police files”? Or are you just so insulated in the western echo chamber you don’t even know of them?
I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.
Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?
Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:
You can’t bring us evidence because there isn’t any.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
Why don’t you actually spend some time reading the sources that he sent you? It’s actually really interesting and I urge you to read it.
I would particularly recommend this video where an American debunks the majority of the lies manufactured by the west, he uses primary sources or sources that link to primary sources in all situations that he can and you can read through his sources if you wish.
It’s the UN Human Rights Council’s Twitter account, you twit.
If you’re expecting corporate media links, you’re out of luck, because just as corporate media are loathe to call what’s happening in Palestine a genocide, they’re loath to call what happened in Xinjiang anything but.
Oh yeah, always that dumb excuse. We only have non reputable links, because anything else is against us. You’re very similar to MAGAts and their Q Anon.
When Ukraine says that it was essentially blackmailed, then they are Nazis.
This thread is now below the fold, the post is a day old, and no one here seems to be buying what you’re selling, so I don’t know why you’re back making more cheap retorts.
Can you please link to the sources that you have decided are not reputable, I am interested in discussing them further. And if you are so certain there is a genocide in Xinjiang china can you provide proof that there is indeed genocide?
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
not even all muslims in china, just this one specific group of muslims in china. people are often surprised when i tell them china has other muslim ethnic groups…
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Well his map doesn’t match the map in the article he posted. I can also push bunch of random shit that doesn’t agree with each other and then argue the person ignored “evidence”.
You know damn well he is full of shit. You are criticizing one imperialistic country while defending other even more genocidal ones.
No, the genocidal empire is telling you that the non-genocidal nascent socialist power is actually a genocidal empire so that you sit on your hands due to lacking a real alternative.
Russia, by virtue of being run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists plundering their country in the 90s, is strategically aligned with the global south against imperialism. The west winning over Russia means the anti-imperialist countries lose a strong ally. What leftists should want is the CPRF taking power, they are the second most powerful party behind United Russia right now and are gaining in support.
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic?
Yes: China by virtue of being socialist and Russia by present circumstances. Previously:
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US.
But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
One actively is trying to exterminated a country
Despite the last three years of propaganda to the contrary, Russia is not trying to exterminate Ukraine[1][2].
another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
First of all, if you ask most countries, including the ROC, the PRC, and the USA, Taiwan is still a part of China. This is considered an internal matter by both, and is a consequence of China’s civil war being interrupted at the cusp of its conclusion, when the remnants of the fascist KMT had retreated to the Formosa/Taiwan.
Second of all, China doesn’t want to attack Taiwan if it can at all avoid it. Otherwise it would have done it already. China has the patience to wait out a long, slow process of integration. It has nothing to gain by attacking those who it considers its own people. Until recently, the US had been hoping to goad China into an attack, in order to destabilize China. But I think the US now realizes that it doesn’t have the capability to succeed.
Russia and China are both anti-imperialist countries. Russia is run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists that were plundering their country in the 90s, and are thus anti-imperialist strategically. China is a socialist country, and has no financial oligarchy. Because of this, it has been the most important player in undermining imperialism globally, and providing an alternative to bypass unequal exchange.
It isn’t the US or EU that countries in the global south go towards in breaking free of the cycle of underdevelopment, it’s Russia and China. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone, and China isn’t preparing to do that either. You have a very chauvanistic view of the enemies of the west, as though you can’t accept that their villians aren’t as evil as them.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Yet, they still manage to have concern for Uyghurs, who they didn’t know existed until imperial core propaganda started manufacturing bullshit about them.
As someone said, the empire hates chinese people and muslims, but for some reason they seem to love muslim chinese
How about condemning that as well instead of defending it, because US did other heinous things?
Why don’t you apologize for beating your wife?
I only condemn things that actually happened
I do condemn it. I condemn the US for giving aid to militant jihadist terrorgroups in the Xinjiang province with the purpose of destabilising the region.
I condemn Adrian Zenz and all his ilk for his “divine anti-communist mission” and for pretending to be an expert on a country youve visited once and the language of which you dont speak.
I condemn all the redditors for their sophomoric approach to life where they pretend to be experts on a subject they’ve never investigated beyond the state department propaganda shoved in their face every day.
I condemn China for not being perfect in it’s administration of the anti-radicalisation programmes I guess.
Have you actually read the “report” about the “Uyghur genocide”? Have you read the “Xinjiang police files”? Or are you just so insulated in the western echo chamber you don’t even know of them?
Sorry, I trust the OIC and it is highly suspicious that the only concerned countries are both islamophobic and sinophobic with only a few exceptions.
You’re not supposed to trust OIC because they’re biased in favor of China. You’re supposed to trust the NATO bloc countries, they have no bias.
You also going to start demanding we condemn the “white genocide” in South Africa?
I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.
Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?
Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:
You’ll have to be more specific, reporter. Which community rules?
Says who? China?
Why don’t you actually spend some time reading the sources that he sent you? It’s actually really interesting and I urge you to read it.
I would particularly recommend this video where an American debunks the majority of the lies manufactured by the west, he uses primary sources or sources that link to primary sources in all situations that he can and you can read through his sources if you wish.
Just a bunch of Twitter, substacks etc. as much reputable as comments here.
It’s the UN Human Rights Council’s Twitter account, you twit.
If you’re expecting corporate media links, you’re out of luck, because just as corporate media are loathe to call what’s happening in Palestine a genocide, they’re loath to call what happened in Xinjiang anything but.
Please develop some actual media literacy.
Oh yeah, always that dumb excuse. We only have non reputable links, because anything else is against us. You’re very similar to MAGAts and their Q Anon.
When Ukraine says that it was essentially blackmailed, then they are Nazis.
This thread is now below the fold, the post is a day old, and no one here seems to be buying what you’re selling, so I don’t know why you’re back making more cheap retorts.
Can you please link to the sources that you have decided are not reputable, I am interested in discussing them further. And if you are so certain there is a genocide in Xinjiang china can you provide proof that there is indeed genocide?
So, at least as reputable as anything you say then.
Says the OIC.
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
not even all muslims in china, just this one specific group of muslims in china. people are often surprised when i tell them china has other muslim ethnic groups…
Better not tell China or they’ll melt them all into tofu dreg. /s
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
Who says they’re being genocided? America?
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
They clearly answered that in their post, you lazy chud
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
Wow you sure went from 0 to scary racism really fast.
They’re mocking you; you and your rascism
What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
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Says everyone but the imperial core, which represents ~12% of the world:
The media that have lied about Palestine are the very same media who lied about Xinjiang.
📺 You’re Not immune To propaganda
aka places aliens are allowed to attack in Hollywood films
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Czech Republic and Poland is on the map. Also if you’re gonna be talking about what is and isn’t “in the core” you gotta actually read the literature
I used links provided.
Poland is literally on that map you illiterate fucking chud
Well his map doesn’t match the map in the article he posted. I can also push bunch of random shit that doesn’t agree with each other and then argue the person ignored “evidence”.
You know damn well he is full of shit. You are criticizing one imperialistic country while defending other even more genocidal ones.
No, the genocidal empire is telling you that the non-genocidal nascent socialist power is actually a genocidal empire so that you sit on your hands due to lacking a real alternative.
Every country on earth is a dictatorship: either a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the proletariat
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I dunno, I don’t live in Russia, why should I align with them?
Russia, by virtue of being run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists plundering their country in the 90s, is strategically aligned with the global south against imperialism. The west winning over Russia means the anti-imperialist countries lose a strong ally. What leftists should want is the CPRF taking power, they are the second most powerful party behind United Russia right now and are gaining in support.
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Why are you changing goal posts? Looks like it is more countries than “the core”.
Ukraine also showed how China pressured everyone to not vote yes.
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
Ukraine has a government run by Nazis allowing pogroms of ethnic minorities in its borders they are not a reliable source.
Correct, the dividing line is between Democracy and Autocracy,
between the Garden and the Jungle,
between the imperialists and the anti-imperialists.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
Yes: China by virtue of being socialist and Russia by present circumstances. Previously:
Despite the last three years of propaganda to the contrary, Russia is not trying to exterminate Ukraine[1][2].
First of all, if you ask most countries, including the ROC, the PRC, and the USA, Taiwan is still a part of China. This is considered an internal matter by both, and is a consequence of China’s civil war being interrupted at the cusp of its conclusion, when the remnants of the fascist KMT had retreated to the Formosa/Taiwan.
Second of all, China doesn’t want to attack Taiwan if it can at all avoid it. Otherwise it would have done it already. China has the patience to wait out a long, slow process of integration. It has nothing to gain by attacking those who it considers its own people. Until recently, the US had been hoping to goad China into an attack, in order to destabilize China. But I think the US now realizes that it doesn’t have the capability to succeed.
Russia and China are both anti-imperialist countries. Russia is run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists that were plundering their country in the 90s, and are thus anti-imperialist strategically. China is a socialist country, and has no financial oligarchy. Because of this, it has been the most important player in undermining imperialism globally, and providing an alternative to bypass unequal exchange.
It isn’t the US or EU that countries in the global south go towards in breaking free of the cycle of underdevelopment, it’s Russia and China. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone, and China isn’t preparing to do that either. You have a very chauvanistic view of the enemies of the west, as though you can’t accept that their villians aren’t as evil as them.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Turkes does not recognize it afaik