Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react to…you’d not mice I’m not pro Ukraine…I’m just aware that Russia is a dictatorship that’s also full of Nazis.
Putin actually is popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Russia isn’t “full” of Nazis, though it certainly does have some fascists. I don’t know where you get that from. It’s not like you provide any evidence for your assertions.
Russia is an actual dictatorship…of one person. As terrible as the USA is…they at least switch between a terrible leader and a fascist one every 4-8 years, or so. I think you confusing “literally” a dictatorship with “figuratively” a dictatorship. They’re not the same. The USA has terribly gerrymandered elections is a broken system that favours small states…so it takes a lot more to overcome the fascists…but at least it possible. Meanwhile, Russia has entirely fake elections. The USA isn’t there…yet. Getting close.
You guys are far-out. It’s like…what…anti-American horseshoe theory? You’re so anti-American…you come out the other end supporting evil dictators?
If you want to shit on The States in isolation…I’ll do it all day long…I’m a Canadian socialist….but I haven’t lost my objectivity just because I hate Americans so much.
Ukraine isn’t any more full of Nazis than Russia is…all those Slavish places are lousy with them. Ukraine is just like any other Eastern European place…or any place in the world, really: the people in the cities are generally nornie’ish and westerners can relate to them…and people outside of cities can be crazy fundamentalist ma in one way or another. Canada is also full of Nazis, BTW…my hometown is having giant open rallies. Where I used to live out west where it’s supposed to be full of hippies just had one. You find Nazis anywhere you find poor white people.
No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @[email protected]
You don’t need to flood the zone…everybody is aware there’s Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like there’s Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
It’s absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Don’t know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraine’s problems and ignore Russia’s:
No idea what radicalized you…for some people it’s because they’re tankies…for others it’s because they’re insane anti Americans. At the end of the day you’ve got tunnel vision and blinders.
The leadership in Kiev is neo-Nazi, it isn’t just a small group. Ukrainian citizens are suffering under the Banderite regime. Russia has neo-Nazis too, but they aren’t infesting the leadership, who are mostly nationalists supported by the majority of people for kicking out foreign imperialists that were plundering the country in the 90s. What radicalized me against western imperialism is living in a dying capitalist empire. I consume plenty of media from the west, there’s no tunnel vision nor blinders on. Being a communist and being anti-US Empire isn’t “insane.”
You heard it here…dictator Putin: better than “Kiev”.
It’s completely insane be to be so communist that you stampede past the fact that Russia was corrupted by capitalist oligarchs…and end up in favour an imperialist dictator. What a trip.
I don’t miss that Russia is ruled by nationalists, I quite openly said that they are. Kiev is run by neo-Nazis and is a puppet of western imperialists. Russia isn’t imperialist, it lacks the finance capital necessary to be so, it’s western countries that are imperialist and using Ukraine like they do Israel, to secure their interests in the region. It isn’t at all “insane” to have a grounded and consistent understanding.
You have this incredibly simplistic “good vs evil” thing going on here, and it’s clouding your judgement entirely.
F“Russia sucks at being imperialist” isn’t a great defence. They already took back half the eastern block, sometimes by proxy.
They would have grabbed Ukraine and the Baltics, at least…and maybe Poland (also totally full of Nazis) if the west didn’t “step in”. It is what it is. Just because they’re shit at war doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do it in a vacuum.
Listen…all I’m saying is that there no through lines to good and evil, here. It’s war…it’s a bunch of fascist imperialists fighting other fascist imperialists. At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance. It’s like…I’m not choosing…I’m just talking about it.
My ex girlfriend is the other extreme from you: she’s one of the liberal weirdos who emigrated to Ukraine because she needed a cause, I guess (she has no ties to Ukraine). Yes…she’s ended up at rallies that were Nazi rallies even though she thought they were pro Ukraine rallies…but the country isn’t some monolith of Nazism like you’re saying it it. The Nazis are a powerful minority. Nazis love war…on both sides of the border they’re laughing.
Taking land isn’t necessarily imperialism. Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk all voted to join the Russian Federation, and Russia is annexing them not for resource extraction but to resolve the ethnic cleansing Kiev has levied against the Donbass region, and to create a buffer zone against NATO encirclement. Imperialism is a form of international extraction that functions by maintaining financial domination and monopoly, and using that to super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Russia is trying to “grab Poland, the Baltics, and the rest of Ukraine.” This is entirely fabricated on your end, Russia has no reason to do so nor is there any information on that.
I’m not saying Ukraine is majority Nazi. I said the leadership is full of Nazis, because the Nazis took power during the Euromaidan coup. The people aren’t all Nazis, just like Statesians aren’t all MAGA, but just like pro-America rallies are almost all MAGA, nationalist rallies in Ukraine draw out the neo-Nazis. The difference between Nazis in Russia and Ukraine is that in Ukraine they actually control the government, in Russia there are just small pockets.
Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.
This is just Russian propaganda.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react to…you’d not mice I’m not pro Ukraine…I’m just aware that Russia is a dictatorship that’s also full of Nazis.
Russia is no more a dictatorship than the US or Ukraine are. They’re all oligarchies, run by the consent of the bourgeoisie. [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Putin actually is popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Russia isn’t “full” of Nazis, though it certainly does have some fascists. I don’t know where you get that from. It’s not like you provide any evidence for your assertions.
Russia is an actual dictatorship…of one person. As terrible as the USA is…they at least switch between a terrible leader and a fascist one every 4-8 years, or so. I think you confusing “literally” a dictatorship with “figuratively” a dictatorship. They’re not the same. The USA has terribly gerrymandered elections is a broken system that favours small states…so it takes a lot more to overcome the fascists…but at least it possible. Meanwhile, Russia has entirely fake elections. The USA isn’t there…yet. Getting close.
You guys are far-out. It’s like…what…anti-American horseshoe theory? You’re so anti-American…you come out the other end supporting evil dictators?
If you want to shit on The States in isolation…I’ll do it all day long…I’m a Canadian socialist….but I haven’t lost my objectivity just because I hate Americans so much.
Ukraine isn’t any more full of Nazis than Russia is…all those Slavish places are lousy with them. Ukraine is just like any other Eastern European place…or any place in the world, really: the people in the cities are generally nornie’ish and westerners can relate to them…and people outside of cities can be crazy fundamentalist ma in one way or another. Canada is also full of Nazis, BTW…my hometown is having giant open rallies. Where I used to live out west where it’s supposed to be full of hippies just had one. You find Nazis anywhere you find poor white people.
No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @[email protected]
Russia isn’t ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.
You don’t need to flood the zone…everybody is aware there’s Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like there’s Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
It’s absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Don’t know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraine’s problems and ignore Russia’s:
https://www.sova-center.ru/en/xenophobia/reports-analyses/2025/02/d47102/ Independent Russian monitoring group SOVA documents trends in ideologically motivated violence, victim counts, and state responses, highlighting a resurgence of street attacks and online glorification of violence.
https://jacobin.com/2024/12/neo-nazis-russia-ukraine-violence/ Long-form analysis linking wartime propaganda and online clout culture to renewed visibility of violent neo‑Nazi groups and their recruitment tactics.
https://russianlife.com/the-russia-file/neo-nazis-return-to-russian-streets/ Magazine piece synthesizing reporting on street violence, Telegram channels, and SOVA statistics showing rising incidents in 2024.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA3450-1.html Policy research on how Kremlin narratives about “denazification” are used strategically; useful for understanding state propaganda and external messaging.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/2/4/503446.pdf Official OSCE materials and delegations’ statements addressing neo‑Nazi glorification and related regional concerns.
https://carnegie-mec.org/russia-eurasia/research Scholarly analyses on Russian nationalism, state‑far‑right interactions, and implications.
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/11/how-the-traumas-of-2004-blinded-putin?lang=en Contextual piece linking historical trauma narratives to contemporary securitized rhetoric that can empower extremist frames.
https://www.brookings.edu/regions/europe-eurasia/russia/ Policy briefs and expert commentary on Russian domestic politics, including far‑right trends and security implications.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/06/neo-nazi-street-attacks-are-making-a-comeback-in-russia-experts-link-it-to-2000s-nostalgia-internet-clout-culture-and-the-war Investigative reporting on viral attack videos, Telegram ecosystems, and cultural drivers behind renewed violence.
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-in-the-news/isds-steven-rai-on-the-resurgence-of-the-neo-nazi-accelerationist-group-the-base/ Expert commentary on transnational neo‑Nazi networks, recruitment, and links to conflict zones.
https://www.dagens.com/war/neo-nazi-terror-group-with-ties-to-russia-recruits-for-attacks-in-ukraine News coverage of recruitment and alleged operational ties between extremist cells and Russian interests.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jarees2001/2002/31/2002_31_57////_article Academic study tracing ideological roots, party actors, and social drivers of neo‑Nazi movements in Russia.
https://academic.oup.com/book/45836/chapter/400752581 Scholarly chapter on neo‑Nazi networks in Russian prisons and their social dynamics.
https://www.academia.edu/41133663/From_Red_to_Black_The_rise_of_Neo_Nazism_in_Russia_in_the_90 Historical overview useful for tracing evolution from 1990s skinhead subculture to modern groups.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/30/putin-says-ukraine-goals-will-be-achieved-as-he-repeats-neo-nazi-claims Reporting on official rhetoric that invokes “neo‑Nazi” narratives as justification for policy and war.
No idea what radicalized you…for some people it’s because they’re tankies…for others it’s because they’re insane anti Americans. At the end of the day you’ve got tunnel vision and blinders.
The leadership in Kiev is neo-Nazi, it isn’t just a small group. Ukrainian citizens are suffering under the Banderite regime. Russia has neo-Nazis too, but they aren’t infesting the leadership, who are mostly nationalists supported by the majority of people for kicking out foreign imperialists that were plundering the country in the 90s. What radicalized me against western imperialism is living in a dying capitalist empire. I consume plenty of media from the west, there’s no tunnel vision nor blinders on. Being a communist and being anti-US Empire isn’t “insane.”
You heard it here…dictator Putin: better than “Kiev”.
It’s completely insane be to be so communist that you stampede past the fact that Russia was corrupted by capitalist oligarchs…and end up in favour an imperialist dictator. What a trip.
I don’t miss that Russia is ruled by nationalists, I quite openly said that they are. Kiev is run by neo-Nazis and is a puppet of western imperialists. Russia isn’t imperialist, it lacks the finance capital necessary to be so, it’s western countries that are imperialist and using Ukraine like they do Israel, to secure their interests in the region. It isn’t at all “insane” to have a grounded and consistent understanding.
You have this incredibly simplistic “good vs evil” thing going on here, and it’s clouding your judgement entirely.
F“Russia sucks at being imperialist” isn’t a great defence. They already took back half the eastern block, sometimes by proxy.
They would have grabbed Ukraine and the Baltics, at least…and maybe Poland (also totally full of Nazis) if the west didn’t “step in”. It is what it is. Just because they’re shit at war doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do it in a vacuum.
Listen…all I’m saying is that there no through lines to good and evil, here. It’s war…it’s a bunch of fascist imperialists fighting other fascist imperialists. At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance. It’s like…I’m not choosing…I’m just talking about it.
My ex girlfriend is the other extreme from you: she’s one of the liberal weirdos who emigrated to Ukraine because she needed a cause, I guess (she has no ties to Ukraine). Yes…she’s ended up at rallies that were Nazi rallies even though she thought they were pro Ukraine rallies…but the country isn’t some monolith of Nazism like you’re saying it it. The Nazis are a powerful minority. Nazis love war…on both sides of the border they’re laughing.
Taking land isn’t necessarily imperialism. Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk all voted to join the Russian Federation, and Russia is annexing them not for resource extraction but to resolve the ethnic cleansing Kiev has levied against the Donbass region, and to create a buffer zone against NATO encirclement. Imperialism is a form of international extraction that functions by maintaining financial domination and monopoly, and using that to super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Russia is trying to “grab Poland, the Baltics, and the rest of Ukraine.” This is entirely fabricated on your end, Russia has no reason to do so nor is there any information on that.
I’m not saying Ukraine is majority Nazi. I said the leadership is full of Nazis, because the Nazis took power during the Euromaidan coup. The people aren’t all Nazis, just like Statesians aren’t all MAGA, but just like pro-America rallies are almost all MAGA, nationalist rallies in Ukraine draw out the neo-Nazis. The difference between Nazis in Russia and Ukraine is that in Ukraine they actually control the government, in Russia there are just small pockets.