You can’t say Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine and reconcile that with the fact that Russia previously had puppets controlling Ukraine.
You can’t seriously believe that Russia holds fair elections.
ETA: if the conflict was just about protecting supposedly majority Russian areas on the Russian border, I would expect Russia to have intervened directly in those areas to “liberate” them, like we saw in Crimea (which is also dubiously majority Russian). But what we’re actually seeing is an imperialist cassis belli that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.
that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.
Which Ukrainians?
The oligarchs running the state?
The Banderite fascists?
The eastern & southern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from an unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites for nearly a decade, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
The western Ukrainians who want the war to end?
The men being kidnapped off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?
For the world. Giant repressive capitalist dictatorships that are full of fascists and invade other countries aren’t good for anybody…even if some of the people they’re killing are also fascists.
Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.
is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?
It is, though that doesn’t mean we should altogether ignore Russia’s faults; it too is a capitalist state, a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Russia isn’t anti-imperialist by ideology but by circumstance.
Yanukovych was not a puppet. The IMF loan came with stipulations requiring austerity, the Russian loan did not. Secondly, Russia is intervening directly in the Donbass region. It isn’t dubious at all that Crimea and the Donbass are heavily Russian, they were added to Ukraine only a century ago.
Not a puppet? Spare me. Where is he right now? What a coincidence!
Did you intentionally misunderstand what I said? They could have just taken the territories they wanted that were supposedly majority Russian and left it at that…the west wouldn’t have done shit about it. But they didn’t, did they?
They are taking historically Russian areas like Donetsk and Luhansk. The west is doing what it wants because it’s using Ukraine as a proxy war to damage Russia, and is carving Ukraine out for resources. Yanukovych escaping the far-right Banderites that the west supported doesn’t mean he was a puppet either. You’re deeply confused here.
Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react to…you’d not mice I’m not pro Ukraine…I’m just aware that Russia is a dictatorship that’s also full of Nazis.
No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @[email protected]
You don’t need to flood the zone…everybody is aware there’s Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like there’s Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
It’s absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Don’t know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraine’s problems and ignore Russia’s:
No idea what radicalized you…for some people it’s because they’re tankies…for others it’s because they’re insane anti Americans. At the end of the day you’ve got tunnel vision and blinders.
There’s a lot of problems with your reply.
You can’t say Russia doesn’t want to control Ukraine and reconcile that with the fact that Russia previously had puppets controlling Ukraine.
You can’t seriously believe that Russia holds fair elections.
ETA: if the conflict was just about protecting supposedly majority Russian areas on the Russian border, I would expect Russia to have intervened directly in those areas to “liberate” them, like we saw in Crimea (which is also dubiously majority Russian). But what we’re actually seeing is an imperialist cassis belli that’s contradicted by the fact that it’s mostly Ukrainians themselves fighting, even if armed by allies.
Which Ukrainians?
Previously: If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
Can’t tell if you’re talking about the Russians or the Ukrainians.
My argument isn’t so much that Ukraine is good…it’s that Russia is worse.
Worse for whom?
For the world. Giant repressive capitalist dictatorships that are full of fascists and invade other countries aren’t good for anybody…even if some of the people they’re killing are also fascists.
If by the world you mean the imperial core, then yes.
You mean the United States?
I don’t think you understand fascism. Previously:
Your position is Russian isn’t imperial or fascist?
…or is it that because the USA or your so-called “imperial core” is more fascist and/or imperial that we should ignore Russia’s?
Yes. Previously:
Previously:
The term is hardly mine and hardly new. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imperial_core
It is, though that doesn’t mean we should altogether ignore Russia’s faults; it too is a capitalist state, a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Russia isn’t anti-imperialist by ideology but by circumstance.
It sounds a lot like you agree the conflict isn’t about good vs evil.
Yanukovych was not a puppet. The IMF loan came with stipulations requiring austerity, the Russian loan did not. Secondly, Russia is intervening directly in the Donbass region. It isn’t dubious at all that Crimea and the Donbass are heavily Russian, they were added to Ukraine only a century ago.
Not a puppet? Spare me. Where is he right now? What a coincidence!
Did you intentionally misunderstand what I said? They could have just taken the territories they wanted that were supposedly majority Russian and left it at that…the west wouldn’t have done shit about it. But they didn’t, did they?
Faith based politics
They are taking historically Russian areas like Donetsk and Luhansk. The west is doing what it wants because it’s using Ukraine as a proxy war to damage Russia, and is carving Ukraine out for resources. Yanukovych escaping the far-right Banderites that the west supported doesn’t mean he was a puppet either. You’re deeply confused here.
Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state.
You’re too smart to make the argument that Russia’s actions are restricted to the areas they allege are majority Russian.
Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.
This is just Russian propaganda.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react to…you’d not mice I’m not pro Ukraine…I’m just aware that Russia is a dictatorship that’s also full of Nazis.
No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @[email protected]
Russia isn’t ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.
You don’t need to flood the zone…everybody is aware there’s Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like there’s Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
It’s absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Don’t know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraine’s problems and ignore Russia’s:
https://www.sova-center.ru/en/xenophobia/reports-analyses/2025/02/d47102/ Independent Russian monitoring group SOVA documents trends in ideologically motivated violence, victim counts, and state responses, highlighting a resurgence of street attacks and online glorification of violence.
https://jacobin.com/2024/12/neo-nazis-russia-ukraine-violence/ Long-form analysis linking wartime propaganda and online clout culture to renewed visibility of violent neo‑Nazi groups and their recruitment tactics.
https://russianlife.com/the-russia-file/neo-nazis-return-to-russian-streets/ Magazine piece synthesizing reporting on street violence, Telegram channels, and SOVA statistics showing rising incidents in 2024.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA3450-1.html Policy research on how Kremlin narratives about “denazification” are used strategically; useful for understanding state propaganda and external messaging.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/2/4/503446.pdf Official OSCE materials and delegations’ statements addressing neo‑Nazi glorification and related regional concerns.
https://carnegie-mec.org/russia-eurasia/research Scholarly analyses on Russian nationalism, state‑far‑right interactions, and implications.
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/11/how-the-traumas-of-2004-blinded-putin?lang=en Contextual piece linking historical trauma narratives to contemporary securitized rhetoric that can empower extremist frames.
https://www.brookings.edu/regions/europe-eurasia/russia/ Policy briefs and expert commentary on Russian domestic politics, including far‑right trends and security implications.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/06/neo-nazi-street-attacks-are-making-a-comeback-in-russia-experts-link-it-to-2000s-nostalgia-internet-clout-culture-and-the-war Investigative reporting on viral attack videos, Telegram ecosystems, and cultural drivers behind renewed violence.
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-in-the-news/isds-steven-rai-on-the-resurgence-of-the-neo-nazi-accelerationist-group-the-base/ Expert commentary on transnational neo‑Nazi networks, recruitment, and links to conflict zones.
https://www.dagens.com/war/neo-nazi-terror-group-with-ties-to-russia-recruits-for-attacks-in-ukraine News coverage of recruitment and alleged operational ties between extremist cells and Russian interests.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jarees2001/2002/31/2002_31_57////_article Academic study tracing ideological roots, party actors, and social drivers of neo‑Nazi movements in Russia.
https://academic.oup.com/book/45836/chapter/400752581 Scholarly chapter on neo‑Nazi networks in Russian prisons and their social dynamics.
https://www.academia.edu/41133663/From_Red_to_Black_The_rise_of_Neo_Nazism_in_Russia_in_the_90 Historical overview useful for tracing evolution from 1990s skinhead subculture to modern groups.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/30/putin-says-ukraine-goals-will-be-achieved-as-he-repeats-neo-nazi-claims Reporting on official rhetoric that invokes “neo‑Nazi” narratives as justification for policy and war.
No idea what radicalized you…for some people it’s because they’re tankies…for others it’s because they’re insane anti Americans. At the end of the day you’ve got tunnel vision and blinders.
They’re right, cry about it