• etherphon@midwest.social
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    3 hours ago

    Honestly if people want communism and socialism to be taken seriously you gotta drop all the soviet imagery.

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      2 hours ago

      done and done. doesn’t work.

      oh but try to change the system from the inside, with you knowledge and stuff.

      done too, doesn’t work either.

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      3 hours ago

      I’ll let the various communist parties currently in power in countries like the PRC, Vietnam, etc. to distance themselves from the hammer and sickle, as you don’t personally take them seriously.

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              China’s socialist market economy, unlike FDR’s New Deal, is commanded by public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy under a proletarian-led and controlled state. Socialism isn’t simply having safety nets, it’s a mode of production.

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                1 hour ago

                Totally, totally. Those are the nets I think of when i think of their production. Very proletarian led, that’s why they need all the cops and censorship.

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                  Over 90% of the Chinese citizenry support their system, and the vast majority believe it to be democratic, more confidence than westerners have in their system. Having police and censoring the speech of capitalists is important for upholding the socialist project, especially in its early stages as it is in China.

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              Okay, cool. I’ll continue to organize with groups that uphold existing socialism, rather than throw it under the bus for an easy rhetorical strategy that has always backfired by legitimizing anti-communist narratives.