Rule of law is obviously sympathetic to Hamas.
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Shaken to the core
I doubt it.
My interpretation:
- Netanyahu has already secured political control of Shin Bet (secret police) by swapping its director
- he wants full control of the IDF, but some people haven’t been willing to swear personal loyalty
- most likely, the general advocate was one
- those people are now removed, one by one, with various methods
As a result, the culture of impunity can continue.
The general advocate who was jailed - she was the person who received, among other documents (likely thousands of documents), the recommendations of the IDF internal investigators about the Rafah ambulance massacre (killing of 15 paramedics and destruction of 5 vehicles).
The IDF recommended to do nothing, claiming that they did nothing particularly wrong, just made some mistakes (executed 15 unarmed medics, some at close range with their hands bound, and tried to conceal the deed).
I don’t know what she would have done, but my reading of the background and signals suggests she might have recommended criminal charges. That would have made her removal absolutely vital for the Netanyahu regime.
“We promise that we will never do it again (with the cameras on).”
All religion needs to go. That bullshit is holding humanity back so much.
So tired of people thinking this is about religion. Zionism is a colonial ideology. Its about stealing land and resources. Religion is just the excuse.
Louder for the people in the back. All religion needs to go. That bullshit is holding humanity back so much.
you’re just voicing another ideology that wants to exterminate others. Religion is your whipping boy, and you’re lying to yourself if you think that getting rid of religion fixes the problem.
Religion is just the excuse used to do bad things. Without religion the ones doing the bad things will find a new excuse.
And you just offered an excuse to do nothing in the face of relentless abuse.
no, they in no way implied that bad people shouldn’t be stopped.
This is just nation level virtue signaling, the Israelis do not give a single shit about the Palestinians.
And it’s just going to get worse. The Israelis are going to eradicate the Gazans and then a few years later they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel. Not guilty enough to repatriate the Palestinians mind you, it will instead be about helping the Palestinians where they’re now refugees. Israel is liberal Elmo, the state.
they’re going to be crying over how guilty they feel.
No they won’t.
one of their ministers is publicly bragging about treating prisoners like shit and humiliating them, jails have posters of gaza in rumbles with the caption “the new gaza”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-LvbfPaST-c
Shout out to the future terrorist attacks fueled by the abuse these Israeli’s put these people through. You asked for this by treating people like animals. Just like I told my buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Kill a non-combatant and create 20 new combatants.
All to justify the continued genocide.
I’ve let myself watch just one short video of atrocities committed by Israel in the last couple years and I still think about it and choke up thinking about it daily. Just one of many like it.
I am not the strongest person emotionally despite a really tough exterior, I have seen a lot of death and been through some shit. So to think about what’s been happening there all day, every day, to families and children, it’s too much to process. I have to advocate in a completely detached frame or I will be unable to form a cognitive thought.
That’s OK. You’re doing the best you can. Try to go easy on yourself.
The level of suffering people all over the world go through on a daily basis in unimaginable and we’re not capable of caring about it in depth and still functioning. Best you can do is be aware it exists and keep a wall up, only lowering it on occasions where you might be able to help. The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
The fact that you care at all shows you’re not a MAGA monster.
It’s wild because I was raised conservative and was one until I left the family compound (let that one sink in) and it was reading, learning and experiencing human life that turned me around pretty fast. I saw science being ignored, I saw heartlessness, I saw them fabricate justification to start a war, and one particular night I saw FOX news play a live feed of a US humvee entering Baghdad shred a civilian truck to pieces with a grenade launcher for no reason, and they were playing patriotic music and had American flags all over the graphics and I got really sick and never watched FOX news again.
I’m so glad you got away from that. It’s hard to not completely succumb to misanthropy sometimes and stories like yours remind me that there’s some hope.
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… ppl can shake from excitement too …
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“Showing video of our actions is blood libel”
Why does this type of bald faced deflection still work enough that they can keep doing it
Blood libel or ritual murder libel is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
The fuck? Nobody was making any kind of claim like that. Why did he bring it up?
Jews who defend Israel’s Gaza Genocide are doing more to spread anti-Semitism than anything since WWII.
It’s absolutely shameless, they don’t care how transparent their accusations are.
because it’s geopolitically convenient
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Paywall.
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Yeah of course Israel is shocked.
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*The soldiers accused of carrying out the attack gave a press conference outside the Supreme Court on Sunday, wearing black balaclavas to avoid identification.
The group said they could not receive a fair trial because of the leaked video, and were victims of an unfair “drumhead court-martial”.*
The video of us doing horrendous shit is extremely hurtful to our defense!
“How are we supposed to defend ourselves if you have all that evidence against us? It isn’t fair!”
While I agree they are unlikely to get a fair trial
- They don’t deserve fairness
- If this wasn’t leaked, they would go un-judged, which is the opposite end of that sliding scale they are complaining about by being outed as torturers.
I do wonder how much of it was “following orders” and how much was pure bloodlust. Neither excuses this, but the former would be indicative of bigger evil up the chain of command.
how much was pure bloodlust.
90%, they’re bred like that since they were born.
This is what happens with Fascist thugs. American citizens in the US are getting shot in the back by ICE and beaten. People are dissappearing or held in detention with no camera footage to leak. Same shit, different continent.
Everyone deserves a fair trial. If Israel cannot provide one then perhaps The Hague or Palestine can assist them in getting a fair trial.
A very reasonable and sensible perspective, but what if that’s still not going to be a fair trial either? We all have pretty strong opinions about torture, so I think we may need to go the extra mile in this case. If no unbiased jury can be found anywhere on planet Earth, then we’ll have to send them to Mars for a fair trial instead. It doesn’t even have to be elaborate, we can use the rules of the good old fashioned “trial by ordeal”. If you can survive on Mars, that demonstrates you were innocent all along and you can come right back home. Otherwise this is going to get dragged out for years and years while they dig up even more evidence and who knows what else may get discovered. This is really the best option for everyone. All aboard to Mars.
A “fair trial” is not about having a jury or judge from Planet Neutral.
Is it about having a defence and a jury or judge who weigh the evidence of the prosecution against the counter-evidence of the defence properly, to come to a conclusion.
I appreciate your attempt to be serious, but I’m going to continue to recommend trial by ordeal and since you brought up the possibility of having it be conducted on Planet Neutral then I’ll support that too, I admit I don’t know where it is but I’m assuming it’s going to be a really, really, really long trip, especially at sublight speeds.
Just ask in their embassy where it is located.
following orders
Now what does that remind of…
Every military ever.
The concept that a soldier is able to disobey an illegal order is flawed. The first thing that happens to them is being thrown in jail awaiting court martial. It’s then on them to prove the order illegal be ause the presumption is that it was legal. It becomes one person against the whole military apparatus.
The penalty if found guilty of refusing to obey orders? At minimum (in the US) a dishonorable discharge. At most a room on death row.
I still think soldier should refuse illegal orders, but the system is setup so they don’t.
The US has no draft, they choose to join, so they can go fuck themselves.
Assassins paid with taxpayer money, that’s all they are.I for one am 100% done with giving soldiers any grace on these matters.
You should update your minimum. In the US military It’s actually an NJP to start. You can request court martial if desired and it goes from there.
Dishonorable discharge is very rare and you’re likely to end up with an OTH or BCD if the “infraction” is significant. I’d rather have some jail time than shoot civilians tbh.Not even an NJP if you’re a Nuke. I’ve told admirals to their face that I wasn’t going to break the book to follow their stupid orders. I realize we are the prima donnas of the military though, and I wasn’t just a Nuke.
What is a Nuke?
Navy Nuclear Power Program Member
It’s someone who works on a nuclear powered ship. You have to take extra tests to get on a nuke and they only allow the smartest ASVAB scores to take the test.
You always have a choice.
Everyone deserves a fair trial ffs. That’s how you prevent innocent people being thrown in jail.
Both equally idf terrorists like to terrorize paleatinins rape and torture them following Israel leaders policies
The most fucked up part about this story is that hundreds of Israeli fascists literally stormed the military base the perpetrators were being imprisoned — committing domestic terrorism — in defence of the war criminals, demanding their release.
Israel is a fascist state because its founders spent the last century propagandising its citizens and the entire Jewish diaspora. It’s not a surprise the Israeli majority think Palestinians are sub-human and their extermination is justified; that will not change for generations, and only after Israel is globally shunned, militarily neutered, required to return to its original borders, and pay to rebuild all of Palestines infrastructure.
I watch this guy on YouTube who is Palestinian and talks to Israeli, last guy said he advocates for the murder of children because of October 7
JFC. I’m trying to imagine someone saying this, like what could be going through their head. I just can’t.
He just kept saying all Palestinians are evil and when he was a truck driver for the IDF he wishes he got a chance to kill Palestinians, while simultaneously saying it’s not a genocide.
The fascist mental illness on full display.
Unfortunately, it’s not just an Israeli thing. There’s lots of Zionists in NA who say things like ‘the Palestinians don’t even know how to farm’…
They don’t like it when you point out that Israel stole the more fertile areas
And all the stolen land projects on the west bank are strategically built to close up water access
They’re useless people. Look how much change Israel has accomplished in the last 60 years! They created a large economy, industrialized, created so many farms and made the land productive. None of the Arab states want to take all the Palestinians, which shows you what they really think. And the Palestinians are terrorists too.
I just can’t even with people sometimes.
I need to leave social media, it’s hard for me to digest this. I can only muster hatred in the face of such brutality…
Any possible relevant comment I want to make violates site policy. They are the 21st century Nazis.
Death, death, to the IDF!
That’s rather impressive for Lemmy. I’ve seen open calls for violent actions stick around and not get banned on this platform. Might have been a different instance than .world though.
I mean, lemmy.world has to follow German law and reminder: saying “Palestinian people suffer” not followed by “…because of Hamas” is legally problematic there. Still, it’s easy to misjudge one’s relative freedom of speech: I am (un)lucky to live in a country with a higher rating than the US and it doesn’t stop populists from whining when people’s rights groups challenge their false and/or racist posters.
The Nazis were German fascists who thought the Jewish population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israel does not maintain any of these views so while they are Israeli fascists they are not Nazis.
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NazisZionists wereGermanIsraeli fascists who thought theJewishPalestinian population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israeldoes not maintain any ofwas founded based on these views so while they are Israeli fascists they arenotalso neoNazis.Your strikethroughs don’t mean ypur claim makes any sense. Israelis don’t believe they are destined to form a master race.
It’s not Nazi unless it’s from the Rhine basin area, otherwise it’s just sparkling genocide.
This is what you’re arguing about. The intent in calling them Nazis isn’t to insinuate they’re members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei and no one would assume that’s the intent.
“Nazi” is common parlance as a shorthand for genocidal fascists because the Nazis are by far the most well-known genocidal fascists.
The meaningless semantic argument you’re putting forth is either a useless distraction, or you’re simply purposefully arguing in bad faith to derail the conversation.
That quote has me fucking rolling! Totally stealing it.
It’s a pretty well established meme, so go ahead.
Second time today I’m part of the lucky 10,000!
No that claim is similarly ignorant. The Nazis are/were a specific party with a specific ideology that Israel is not perpetuating. It is factually incorrect to call them Nazis. This would be akin to labelling AOC a “communist”. AOC is not a communist nor is Israel a Nazi state.
This is of course ignoring the inherent question of racism that is always baked in to comparing the historic victims of Nazi racism to Nazis themselves.
You can hate Israel without making comparisons to the Nazis.
making comparisons
You explicitly acknowledge that they’re just making comparisons while also suggesting they’re calling Israel literal Nazis. Your trolling isn’t even internally consistent.
No, they just believe that they are God’s chosen people. Totally different.
The Nazis saw theor destiny as one that would cultivate the creation of an Aryan race. The Jewish faith believes they were chosen by their God to let everyone know what God expects of them. It’s very different.
It’s not, though. Both are supremacist ideologies with the same long term goals of eliminating those not in their in group.
Interesting that it’s turning out so similarly, then.
Im really curious as to your education if you think they are going similarly.
They use terms like sub-human.
I’ve heard that term used by another group before…
Pedant gonna pedant.
Nah, it’s messed up to make direct comparisons between Nazis and Jewish people, Roma people or any other ethnicity that was targeted for elimination by Nazis.
It isn’t pedantry as much as it is anti-racism.
A person bullied can still be a bully. A person that was horrifically abused can still be an abuser.
The Israelis in power are now ethnic cleansing Palestinians. Being Jewish or not doesn’t even factor into the equation.
Ok buddy but nothing you write changes what “Nazi” means. Nazis are German fascists. Israeli fascists are not German fascists so they cannot be Nazis.
Slightly incorrect. Anyone identifying with Nazi ideology is a Nazi. There are genuine American Neonazis for example.
The fact you call them “Neo-Nazis” makes it clear there is a difference.
Do you think maybe that the person who originally made that comment knows this? Everyone else knew what they were saying, and I’m pretty sure you did too.
I think the dipshit who made this claim is not any more intelligent or informed than the dipshits that agree with it. The only real question at hand is how much of this comparison is just racism masking itself as something based around morality.
Zionism is not a race.
It’s not messed up to make valid comparisons
That’s not a valid comparison. It is vaguely racist though.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1c-_56yYGTJNit_GjUB-th5C8M4SKapOibN8vsmicakWNCA/viewform
https://zionism.wtf/ was a better “Zionist or Nazi Quote” quiz IMO but it doesn’t seem to load properly anymore.
And that is still irrelevant.
