It has nothing to do with anti-semitism, and in fact nothing to do with ethnicity at all.
Conversely, the people who today don’t protest against the Palestinian Genocide would not have protested against the Holocaust.
protests the Holocaust
“Oh my god, that’s so Germanaphobic! You monster!”
I would be 0% surprised if the 1930s version of that did in fact happen. “Those fucking poles can’t run a country, good on Hitler to show them how to keep their rabble in check” or something like that, and spoken in a transatlantic accent.
They did, there was a lot of backlash against anti-nazis, especially pre-holocaust. Partially because nazi propoganda was so effective across the world. But also partially because anti-Semitism was practically mainstream across the world.
US famously rejected a boat of 900 jewish and other German refugees cause 1 dude lied (these people would be sent back and 40% of them would later die in the holocaust). We were terrified of foreign spies, which is an attitude that culminated in it internment of the Japanese. We were offered Jewsih refugees many times, including like 20,000 children, we rejected them.
Idk. I think that is a large factor. But there are also other large factors. Beside that one arabic group that is like the bros of isreal, i think like all arabic ppls are against palestinian genocide. aka i think it also has to do with who the involved parties are and the relationships linked cultural groups have to them.
wwii earth didnt have undeniable evidence until like 1944 or 1945, when troops literally freed concentration camps. today we KNOW, and are complacent - except those fucking heros in the story, they will be on the unashamed side of history
That’s nation-state apologia. They just ignored all the evidence because genocide wasn’t even defined yet in International Humanitarian Law, they just didn’t care. Remember that even the US had concentration camps inside the US for foreigners, almost all of them Japanese people. They just felt this was a normal thing armies did to control populations deemed risky (see the ghettoisation of black communities, history of segregation and the systematic wipe out of indigenous tribes). They knew, armies even went directly to the locations of the concentration camps, they already knew where almost all of them were. Like, inside Germany it was not entirely a secret either. German officials boasted about the whole thing in international forums and in propaganda.
The term Genocide, even, was coined by a polish-Jewish lawyer in 1942, Raphael Lemkin precisely because of what was known at the time of what the Nazis were doing against Jewish people and his own experiences surviving the Holocaust.
He saw genocide as an inherently colonial process, and in his later writings analyzed what he described as the colonial genocides occurring within European overseas territories as well as the Soviet and Nazi empires
Based.
Honestly it sounds like we need to go back to his definition of genocide. So many have since been led to believe it can only look like a Zyklon B shower.
Concentration camps yes, but Death Camps with gas chambers and crematoria, not intended to hold people for any longer than it took to “exterminate” them, were new. Even slave-labor camps of the sort where inmates were starved and worked to death were frowned upon, not considered normal. That’s why the Nazis lied, and created false camp films for propaganda.
Edit to add this from the article about the Rosenstrasse protest:
Goebbels swiftly realized that to use force against the women protesting on the Rosenstrasse would undermine the claim that all Germans were united in the volksgemeinschaft. Using force against the protestors would not only damage the volksgemeinschaft, which provided the domestic unity to support the war, but would also draw unwanted attention to the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question”. Stoltzfus wrote: “A public discussion about the fate of deported Jews threatened to disclose the Final Solution and thus endanger the entire war effort.”[18]
Agree, but it was just how normalized internment camps were (Hitler claimed he got inspired by US ideas of population control). Which facilitated the German use of propaganda. If you said, “they are killing everyone there, my family died in there”, no one would believe you even if you were an eyewitness. Although there weren’t executions in the US camps, the conditions were so bad that at least 1800 out of 120 thousand people died. Even today, some people don’t believe the testimony of the families of Japanese victims of the camps and trivialize and downplay their suffering.
A Polish resistance fighter willingly infiltrated Auchswitz in 1940 and broke out in 1943 with incontrovertible evidence. They just weren’t taken seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki#Auschwitz
Also worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe
what a phenomenal story, holy shit
“Earth” already knew before the war started.
literally freed
Is there any other way?
I mean not exactly the same people because there are definitely some antisemitic shit heads that are using the protest as cover and are trying to radicalize people that rightfully protest the israeli government to also hate the israeli population.
The whole situation has nuance that I don’t see talked about a lot on here.
I’ve been to a pro-pal protests few around different cities and have never met any real anti-Semite on the side of the protest. I have, however, met a couple of counter protesters that hold the Israeli flag yet proudly call themselves white supremacists.
Not a lot of nuance to bombing hospitals.
Thank you for demonstrating the issue.
You’re not contradicting their point, you know?
Jews becoming supremists, falling for a Reichstag fire event, staying quiet, and following orders to comitt a genocide against a semite population is not something I had on my bingo card.
Do you know nothing of Israels history? Even before the country was formed (and before WW1) when it was Zionist extremists pouring into the region, this was always the end goal.
Einstein even clued onto what Israel was very quickly once he saw it.
Who protested against the Holocaust?
That’s against Nazis. Not a lot of people knew about the Holocaust outside of Germany.
I found this one, which happened in Berlin and led to the release of 1800 Jewish people (!).
A lot of people knew.
Resistance networks who hid and smuggled targets out of reach at the very least.
A form of protest, perhaps, but probably not what OP was thinking of.
Are you sure they were not just anti-germanic!?
Then there are those who ask to expand the Holocaust and increase the throughput that disengaged people indirectly support by not arguing/voting against their wishes at least.
My current plan is to wait for my basic coworkers to have kids, and those kids to be old enough to ask “what did you do in the 2020s to fight fascism?”. They’ll lie and say they did a lot, and I’ll burst through the wall to shout “NO THEY DIDN’T. THEY DID SHIT. THEY STAYED HOME AND PLAYED VIDEO GAMES. YOUR DADDY IS A COWARD”.
Hopefully somehow this will result in my coworkers dying alone and unloved in a pit of shame or something.
But the reality is their egos are indestructible and they will always think they’re good people, and their kids will probably be the same.
And when the kid turns around to you and asks “What did you do to fight fascism”, you will say…?
Went to protests, volunteered for better candidates, tried to get other people involved. The bare minimum, perhaps, but more than another run of Baldur’s gate 3.
Jews in other countries probably protested against the Holocaust but most didn’t for the Gaza War(s)
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Yes.
So you do finally admit that Israel is perpetrating a genocide in Gaza?
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Whenever I read this, I roll my eyes. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments.
You have to start somewhere and you can’t put your focus on everything. Plus your argument is a method to move the topic to “do you/they this and this and this and that?” Instead of the actual on-topic.
The OP‘s argument is exactly that.
Not true but it seems you love to go off-topic and use whataboutism and therefore I will just block you. That way I don’t have to see your pro-genocide and anti-protesting nonsense.
Some do. Thing is, it’s a BIG world and someone somewhere is being abused and oppressed at all times.
People and countries are also experiencing freedom, growth and democratic expansion.
Go visit the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and you’ll see a different protest every day.
It is on my way to work, so yes I see different protests going on. It’s not the same people though.
Yes.
Do you pick and choose what genocide you tolerate?
I doubt that was a literal shower thought .
It sounds like one. It’s brief, reasonably presented and quite obvious.
I think wewbull is saying they would have to expend a lot of energy to have that kind of thought 🤭
