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return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 2 days ago

Newsom says California to draw congressional maps to 'END TRUMP PRESIDENCY'

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return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 2 days ago
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Newsom said the new maps will "END THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY."
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  • Deflated0ne@lemmy.world
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    Good. Neuter the fascists.

  • PattyMcB@lemmy.world
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    Please please PLEASE let this work!

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      You can quote me on this. Not only will this not work. They won’t even actually implement anything to a degree that would even be able to make a difference.

      Source: Democrats saying things and not following through for my entire lifetime.

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        And the fact that he was literally mocking Trump with this message. The whole thing was essentially satire, written in Trump fashion.

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    The only way to fight unconstitutional behavior, is with the same unconstitutional behavior.

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    The right wing voices I’ve heard talk about this say California has already had been doing this for decades and they don’t have much more they can squeeze out of this. So now I want to see what they’ll actually do.

    Here’s my prediction: rich keep getting richer, do you remember when we had a middle class?

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    Once you start tearing up democratically elected seats, and I’m not saying don’t because fuck fascists, but once you do you gotta think that republic is on flimsy ground.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      You’re democracy is long since dead and burned, friend.

    • WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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      Ah, its already on really flimsy ground thanks to GOP fuckery and cowardice.

      • Hayduke@lemmy.world
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        Damn straight.

    • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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      The House is supposed to provide proportional representation, per the US Constitution. It has not since the early 20th century. Instead, it gives significant increased representation to people in lower population states.

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        Madison’s Grand Compromise was to give EXTRA representation to low population states (2 senators regardless of a States population), not proportional representation.

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          Dude was talking about the House, and the Reapportionment Act of 1929

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929

        • xyzzy@lemmy.today
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          Feels like you might have missed the first two words of the post you replied to

    • Wazowski@lemmy.world
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      Bruh. Shit broke irrevocably in 2020. Might as well give up and start all over. This shit’s busted.

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      This has already been going on for decades. It’s just the democrats are actually finally talking about fighting back as long as their oligarch backers approve.

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      This is where we’re at

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    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, California eliminates all Republican seats and Texas eliminates all Democratic seats… what would the new House look like?

    Texas -12D, +12R out of 38 total. (+1 vacancy)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_representatives_from_Texas

    California -9R, +9D out of 52 total.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_representatives_from_California

    Net change? -3D, +3R.

    House composition goes from 219R / 212D / 4 Vacant to 222R / 209D / 4 Vacant.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives

    Newsom - Nice try, but no.

    Edit TIL - there are fewer Republican reps in California than there are Democratic reps in Texas!

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      Other blue states are threatening to follow California’s lead, though, New York being one of them. If New York alone follows suit, that’d be an additional -7R, +7D. But even without New York, similar threats from Illinois and Maryland would also tip the scales (-4R, +4D combined)

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        It would have to be New York or some equivalent. An additional shift of +/-7 would flip the house 215R to 216D, but that’s also assuming Texas and California successfuly eliminate all opposition.

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        We may not like it, but the fact is, there are more red states than blue states. This is a competition that Blue states won’t win.

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          The red states are much more gerrymandered than the blue states. They have less room.

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      Let’s say, for the sake of argument, California eliminates all Republican seats and Texas eliminates all Democratic seats…

      Texas will struggle to eliminate all Dem districts, simply because there are too many Dem voters. You’re looking at a 1.5M spread of voters between R and D in Texas relative to a 3.2M spread in California.

      When a given district has roughly 600k people (of whom barely half reliably vote), it becomes incredibly difficult to crack the existing Dem population into subsets small enough to guarantee a 55/45 split for each Republican candidate. The only real alternative is to pack as many Dems into a single district as possible, in order to dilute the remainder. That’s why the current Texas map only promises to flip 5 seats and leave 7 remaining.

      Even then, you’re playing a dangerous game - a la 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2018 - in which a vibe shift costs you dozens of seats very quickly. The Republicans in 2008, for instance, lost every single House Seat in New England.

      California can easily gerrymander their Republican minority out of another five seats (maybe more with some clever math) because of the hard liberal swing the state has been on since the Bush Era.

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      So… When are we going to stop pretending america is a democracy?

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        Probably not before an obviously sham election happens or not being a registered Republican is functionally outlawed

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          Registered Republican here. I’ve voted blue pretty much across the board since 2002, though.

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            “Registered Nazi party member here. I’m not really on board with this whole Hitler thing, though.”

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      Worth noting, midterm swings in the house almost always goes against the sitting president’s party by a lot. 2022 was a history low (-9). I think the expectation is for the swing to be much higher.

      https://history.house.gov/Institution/Majority-Changes/Majority-Changes/

      Edit: better link

      https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/seats-congress-gainedlost-the-presidents-party-mid-term-elections

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      Good thing other states are looking to follow Newsom’s lead.

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    Inshallah. I hope he delivers the permanent super majority.

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    I am not sure how even if the change wasn’t still in favor of republicans, how this would “END TRUMP PRESIDENCY”. Even if they flip senate too it’s not like they can impeach and remove him

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      It’s a quote from Newsom’s tweets where he was heavily taking the piss out of how Epstein’s best friend Donald writes his own posts. Because if there’s one thing that gets under a narcissist’s skin, it’s being mocked publicly. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MATTER.

      • Kronusdark@lemmy.world
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        Fair enough.

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    This is stupid. Removing the voice of people is wrong no matter who does it. Fuck Newsom and Abbott.

    We need a new way to elect our representatives. The current method has clearly failed.

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      Removing the voice of people is wrong

      That’s single-candidate districts for you. Put 40 Dems and 40 Republicans and 20 Swing Voters into a district and you’re going to have a bare minimum of 40 unhappy voices.

      There are alternative methods for choosing elected representation. But they don’t play well with a country as committed to segregation, disenfranchisement, and power consolidation as the modern Americanized democratic system.

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        Sure, we want proportional representation, but it’s not like MAGA is going to give it to us.

      • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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        Amen.

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        deleted by creator

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      At this point, that’s too fucking bad. War is messy. It’s going to get way worse before it gets better.

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      So they just rollover and do nothing the? I don’t love it, but at some point we need to stop sitting around hoping we will play nice or do the right thing.

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        Anything other than changing how we select representatives is a shit sandwich. One choice just has less shit.

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          Anything such as what SPECIFICALLY.

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            What I said in my first post?

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