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    Reminds me of history, when nazi germany and imperial japan would perform “reprisals”, basically, they would arbitrally round up random non-combatants, most of them who aren’t even resistance, and shoot them to death in “execution” style in public, as a way to “punish” resistance activities.

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        Or drop nukes on civilian cities.

        Or bomb a harbor without provocation.

        What’s your fucking point? There were plenty of atrocities during World War 2. You just don’t hear as much about the ones the winners made, because history is written by victors.

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    Meanwhile, The News is giving us exhaustive coverage of a billionaire wedding, because some people are just better than we are.

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      I wonder how much of that is about ginning up outrage and then directing that energy at “liberals”, because something something “Bezos owns WashPo”.

      I saw the same thing when people are/were ginning up anger at “Big Tech” (with Zuck standing in as the poster boy for this, gee, I wonder why the right wing/corporate media would do this) because something something liberals in California and my “free speech”.

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    There’s always been a significant portion of American society that would have much preferred if the US would have intervened in WW2 on behalf of the Nazi instead of the allies. Imo that subsect of our population has never really changed in their belief, they just moderated their language to make their beliefs more digestible.

    The amazing thing to me is that Communism has consistently been a dog whistle for these people for generations, being a substitute for a plethora of slurs aimed at a plethora of different people.

    They are now attempting to utilize the same defunct laws that their grandparents made to strip away what little power we the people still have. Strange that there are laws against communist political parties but not against fascism…the actual people we engaged in a totalitarian war against.

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      Never forget that in 1939 the second biggest Nazi party in the world was in America. Massive rally at Madison Square Garden, etc.

      The official line was that John Wayne didn’t get sent to Europe to fight because he was more valuable to the war effort boosting morale in the home front. The secret reason was that they weren’t quite sure which direction he’d be shooting.

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      A country founded on genocide and explicit principle of setting up free market, is against even slight implementation of common sense policy of affordable education and healthcare.

      Colour me shocked.

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      I heard once that the main reason why the US helped the Allies instead of the Axis was that they stood to make bank on the restoration of Europe if the Allies did win.

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        Yes, and the USSR (a communist country who started fighting to defeat fascism) was winning against the nazis before US involvement. The US and imperialist allies couldn’t have the Soviet Union win and spread their socialist revolution. It was for money and power, not because capitalist countries have an issue with fascism. Fascism is capitalism in decay. Communism isn’t the evil they want you to believe…it is actually liberation for all. Capitalists and their cronies want to keep you subjugated to them and their interests….and they have spent billions propagandizing to ensure you think of communism as a boogeyman.

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    On the one hand, it’s always concerning to see the rise of threats to imprison political opposition.

    On the other hand, this is a pivotal moment. This is one of those things that you could lift straight from Andor or the Martian Revolution series or any other radical fiction because it’s just cookie-cutter dropped in to so many revolutions of history that it just almost has to happen. The milquetoast electoral reformer gains some success in the light of the horrors of the authoritarian regime, the regime loses its shit and responds with an over-the-top militant reaction, which in turn triggers an actual militant defense capable of breaking the stalemate of liberalism.

    In other words, for those of us who want revolution in some form or another, who see the American empire and all empires as systems of oppression, they’re playing right into our hands with this response, assuming New Yorkers & Angelinos and other Americans are capable of effective resistance.

    One must hope. For the earth. For mankind.

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          He’s also studied a lot of revolutions and it all fits in with the sort of things that have happened in all of those revolutions. So it’s strangely believable

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          That sounds cool! Thanks for sharing.

          In an effort to return the favor I’d like to recommend Andy weir’s project hail Mary

          Sorry if you already know but it’s my favorite book in the last like 8 years.

          Also

          We are legion we are Bob. Von Neumann probe tells his stories from throughout the galaxy

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        What the other guy said. Look up the “Revolutions” podcast and start at episode 11.1. I really like it because it’s sort of him distilling a lot of the patterns he’s noticed studying revolutions into fiction. A lot of fun.

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    These stunads have never been to NY. They really don’t realize the clout they’re giving Zohran by doing this.

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      So, the gambit of authoritarian regimes in those situations is: If you see an opposition leaving controlled status and gaining popularity, and you know that suppressing that popularity (at their home) is hard, the main course of action is beating it down, brutally. Thought you could put hope into a candidate of your own choosing as people? Well, we will just put him into a prison and/or deport him, and/or terrorise you with blunt force, while telling everyone outside your group, that you are part of the evil to be defeated.

      If that works or backfires on them heavily depends on conviction and organisation of the (working class) people of New York. So if you are part of that, don’t let yourself be intimidated, and be prepared for some fucked up suppression attempts. (best way of preparing is joining with organisations and networking with friends and neighbours for mutual aid and independent communication/info networks when shit hits the fan.)

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        New Yorkers don’t give a fuck about other New Yorkers unless they’re in the shit. You fuck with one of us, you fuck with all of us. This is literally the best thing Republicans could do to lock Mamdani’s win.

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          Yeah I think that’s one of the things people that don’t always get.

          Like you walk down the street and no one’s going to say hi to you, or engage with you much at all. People think that means we’re unfriendly. No, it’s more that we see ten thousand people every day and there’s no way to engage with all of them. Some of them don’t even have a shared language.

          But if someone needs help? People step up. I saw a lady trip and fall down the stairs at the subway and a whole lot of people fake running over to make sure she was okay. Bike accident? Lots of people that had been in the background suddenly were helping.

          People aren’t perfect. I saw a guy screaming at a woman he was with and no one stepped in, but I like to think there’s a line past which more people would intervene.

          edit: fix autocomplete error

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              It really depends, there’s just a huge variance in city layout and regional cultures, so going from one to another can completely change things. Someone who likes the way things are in NYC isn’t necessarily going to like living in Orlando, Houston or Los Angeles, and won’t find the same culture. Heck, even within the same state, they can be pretty different.

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                No I meant the way people interact with each other. People in Budapest are the same, you actively have to ignore others to go about your way, too many scammers and weird people around. And also people fighting public transit vehicles.

                But then a Serbian motorcyclist broke down a few weeks ago in the city and a bunch of locals made it their mission to get him the parts needed to continue his journey. Another occasion, a bus broke down, the passengers got off, and helped push it off the road to avoid a traffic jam.

                I assume that’s just like every bigger city, right?

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                  I don’t know, you get different vibes in different cities. Not exactly the same thing, but I (a pasty white guy) wear a Brujería hat I bought at a concert around NYC all the time, and the most that will ever happen is somebody asking me if I know what it is/about the band, then telling me how much they like them, or some old religious ladies freaking out about it being the Spanish word for witchcraft. Wearing the same hat in Los Angeles earlier this year, in different subway stations, I had a few cholos just glaring at me the whole time I was there and looking for a fight.

                  Some cities are a lot more segregated than others to this day, and you get places where you won’t be treated well if you’re not from the right group. Others, people just stick to themselves, for one reason or another. Like, if your car breaks down in Newburgh, NY, or the wrong part of Newark, NJ, you’re probably not getting any help from strangers, and if someone does come to help you, there’s a decent enough chance they’re trying to either rob you or carjack you. In some cities, about the most someone will do to help you out if you’re in trouble is to suggest that you don’t belong where you are, and that you ought to reconsider what you’re doing there.

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    These idiots are going to go over every aspect of his personal life until they find something that they can potentially throw at him in court, then try to arrest him and tie him up in the judicial system like they’re doing to Kilmar.

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    I notice they didn’t shit their pants epiplectic over Hakeem Jeffries winning anything. Guess we know who we gotta throw our weight behind.

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    And it sounds like mainstream Democrats are aligning with Republicans on this. What a surprise!

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      And THERE’S the key that EVERYONE should take away from this.

      Every time Socialism comes close to winning on a national platform, the Democrats scuttle it like they’re a fuckin U-boat. This is the problem. This is why they’re not our allies, they’re the controlled opposition of the fascist party.

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        I disagree. The KEY that everyone should take away from this is VOTE IN THE MOTHAFUCKIN PRIMARIES. That’s how NYC elected a democratic socialist candidate to the Democratic Party. Progressives run all the time, but primaries are largely decided by retirees. They’re the reason we always get centrists.

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          Yes! What the Dems have been is history. What voters make it is the future. That’s what primaries are for. So imagine what you want them to stand for and vote for the candidates that fit that vision.

          Everyone should vote in their primaries, even if they can’t make the general. Your vote is higher impact there than in the general election for a few reasons:

          1. The folks who usually vote in the primaries, bless ‘em, are not good at picking winners
          2. Participation tends to be so low that it doesn’t take many additional votes to elect progressives
          3. Progressives are MAGA kryptonite; people will actually show up for them in the general.

          Also voting in primaries is easier, since early voting can often be completed digitally or by mail. You don’t have to take off work. And if you vote in person, you don’t have to be registered beforehand. Just show up to your polling center and they’ll have you fill out a special affidavit ballot that’s submitted in an envelope with your registration info.

          Vote in your primaries people.

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          Observation: the party reveals primaries to be a sham, as the party will simply refuse to support any primary victor they don’t like.

          Response: remember to vote in the primaries y’all!

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            What are you talking about? He’s the Democratic candidate now. That’s how primaries work.

            We moved the attendance from 21% in 2021 to 30% and now the Democratic candidate is a progressive. That’s literally all it took- voting in the goddamn primary.

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              You’re completely missing the point. Just because you win the primary doesn’t mean the party will actually support you. He’s still receiving opposition from suburban Democrats, and the party leadership isn’t endorsing him, as would be expected for any other victor of the mayoral primary.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/25/nyregion/mamdani-democrats-schumer-jeffries.html

              He’ll still have the D spot on the ballot, but a lot of the value of the party is having the people of the party behind you. The endorsements, leaders campaigning with you, sharing resources with you, etc. You can win a primary and still be completely shut out by the Democratic establishment.

              This shows the utter sham that “Vote Blue No Matter Who” is. It only applies when it’s a centrist that wins a nomination. When a centrist wins a primary, it becomes the responsibility of every progressive to hold their nose and vote for the corporate pig. When a progressive wins the party, the centrists circle the wagons, refuse to support the progressive, and often support the Republican. Loyalty to the party only goes one way with liberals.

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                They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare it to Adams’ purse in 2021. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.

                If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.

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                  They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true,

                  It’s not just about the funding. You also have key figures in the party actively fearmongering against him. A NY senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, did an interview the other day, playing him up as some sort of rabid antisemite and refusing to endorse him. Same with party leadership. If Cuomo or Adams had won, they would have had their endorsements announced and posted everywhere within minutes of the primaries being called, but when a progressive who uses the big, scary s-word wins, they sit on their hands and offer lukewarm statements about how they’ll work with him if he wins the election, but they have reservations and don’t want to commit to endorsing him. When you have Democrat public officials and high ranking figures in the party refusing to endorse “their” candidate, that can do a lot of damage to their chances amongst those who aren’t very politically engaged, or who lack media literacy.

                  Out of Hochul, Gillibrand, Schumer and Pelosi, I’m not aware of a single one who has actually endorsed him in the race. What happened to the calls for party unity and voting blue no matter who in order to defeat fascism they loved to trot out so much when they recently fielded unpopular, establishment candidates? I guess a little fascism is okay, as long as it’s just one city, now?

                  These sorts of Dems would rather see Sliwa win and start goose-stepping through the streets of NYC with his brownshirt losers than see Zohran win. They know that Zohran winning and having a successful term would be a damning indictment of their own failure to lead and step up to the moment, and the gears are spinning once again for them to do their best to make sure they don’t have to deal with that.

                  Edit: misattributed the interview to Hochul, but the point remains with it being Democratic Senator from NY, rather than the governor.

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                  Oh you mean like the Bernie scandal?

                  Yeah buddy you haven’t paid enough attention to how the DNC functions. They’ll lie, just like the GOP.

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            In many races, DNC support after the primary is not so important. Remember gerrymandering? How party establishments have generally set up the districts along party lines?

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      Yeah, the Establishment Dems are nearly as pissed off as the MAGAs. If the Nazis come for Zohran, don’t expect the Dems to offer any help.

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    New Yorkers are literally the last people I would try threatening, let alone actually trying to “round up.”

    They don’t have time for that shit

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      I’m not so sure. They had plenty of time for stop and frisk:

      In 2016, a reported 12,404 stops were made under the stop-and-frisk program. The stop-and-frisk program has previously taken place on a much wider scale. Between 2003 and 2013, over 100,000 stops were made per year, with 685,724 people being stopped at the height of the program in 2011.

      The program also became the subject of a racial-profiling controversy. Ninety percent of those stopped in 2017 were African-American or Latino, mostly aged 14–24. By contrast, 54.1% of the population of New York City in 2010 was African-American or Latino; however, 74.4% of individuals arrested overall were of those two racial groups.

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        No we fuckin did not.

        Nobody was ok with that shit, I called my reps and of course literally observed it used only on black/brown folks in my neighborhood.

        Fuck Bloomberg for that disgraceful nonsense.

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          Fair enough. It still went on for a decade though. At the end of the day, how are you going to say “no” to a cop with an assault rifle?

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            For the record, people voted for Adams as well. I’ll say new yorkers (the city people, to be clear) are generally down to earth. But we do make mistakes, and I think learn from them collectively pretty well.

            For a city that big to work, you have to understand your neighbors. We do have some ultra-wealthy scum in the mix, and people like trump. But many more regular people who are mostly immune to copaganda and such.

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            At the end of the day, how are you going to say “no” to a cop with an assault rifle?

            With 50 of your friends, also with rifles, also having trained and drilled. Preferably with plenty of higher calibers than 556/223.

            Other than that… Good luck getting even the slightest hesitation when they go to bash the stock into your skull and stand on your neck.

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          well, tomato tomato… NYPD is helping ICE and New Yorkers are writting stern complaints = fascism wins

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            Better than writing pithy comments from the comfort of your armchair.

            Please do inform us of all the successful actions you have taken in fighting fascism? Since clearly you’re so well versed.

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              I keep repeating: general strike (not sure why people get offended at the suggestion)

              Fortunately I don’t have to fight fascism directly since my countrymen were not stupid enough to vote in a moronic dictator wannabe