Do NOT set your own car on fire. They will notice every marker pointing at you! Instead, incompetently park in a visible area that is poorly lit at night, perhaps a Trump sticker. Maybe an anti-trans or pro racism sticker! Really REALLY scummy stuff. Get a custom plate that says ‘‘YBMC’’ or something else horrid. Really egg them on. What you really want is a total stranger you have never interacted with. Police fail to identify 90% of crimes that don’t have a personal motivation to known victim and perpitraitor.
Hyundai EVs really are good. They made absolutely terrible gas cars but chose the transition to EVs to make new company out of themselves and they did an absolutly incredible job. They make some of the best EVs in the market.
Insurance fraud is cool now?
I traded mine in. Was underwater by 10k. Fuck me, but fuck Elon more.
Buying a Hyundai of all choices after a tesla is doubling down on shitty car choices
I retired during Covid, but until then I drove mercedes. When I needed a new car, the new Merc dealer wouldn’t even let me onto the lot, telling me he couldn’t get a car for me for 12 months. Turned out, the only new car I could get immediately, was a Kia Sportage, and that was only because someone failed a finance application. That car was actually awesome, never a single problem, but I decided I didn’t like all the screens because always fingerprints, so I sold that and bought a Hyundai because I had already gone through the tech learning curve (Kia and Hyundai are the same). That too, has been trouble free all the time I’ve had it, and I’m about to trade to another Hyundai. Converesely, here in Australia, I hear about Honda’s being crap. I think Korean cars, actually made in Korea, are actually great cars. You Americans mostly get models made locally, which to me sounds like the problem. What you are saying, is American made is shitty.
The best car to get is one where the engineers actually thought of maintaining the thing over looks
To be fair, we’ve been very happy with our Kona EV. No problems after 25k miles.
Portuguese love a good kona
What about before 25k miles?
My hyundai isn’t electric but I’ve been very happy with it
They aren’t terrible cars. I had a Hyundai and it ran well. Just didn’t throw an oil light for me. Engine seized. My own fault really, but lasted like 180k
As a Hyundai-owner…you should buy a Honda.
As an owner of both, my 2020 Ioniq BEV easily feels better than my previous civic, and my Subaru (though I’d want the suby for anything challenging terrain-related). Best car I’ve owned.
So here’s my issue with Hyundai. I LOVED them, bought 2 Tucsons so far and love so much about them. HOWEVER, there was some oil-related recall that, long-story short, killed my engine while I was driving on a highway. My car was at 99,000 miles at the time this happened, and it was before they actually issued the recall. I had to spend about $8k replacing the engine and paying for a rental. A few months later they issues the recall and I submitted all of my paperwork. They ignored me. I submitted again, they ignored me again. I called a few times, and tried submitting again, and somehow their website broke and stopped letting me submit my paperwork, and they refused to let me send it in any other way.
It was under warranty. I almost died. And it cost me a lot of money. But they fucked around playing games to avoid paying me.
So fuck Hyundai. I’ll never buy another. When this one finally dies, I’ll probably go with a Honda CR-V, or a Nissan Murano.
I don’t know. My runner up was an Ioniq 5. A shame it was 10k more expensive
That’s actually the face your Insurance company make when their claim adjuster reviews the Tesla ‘Sentry Mode’ footage.
Of a random guy in a hoodie and a mask setting fire to my Tesla?
A drone carrying a mini Molotov into the inside. Just leave the window open.
Give it a go and see how random you look.
Yes. That’s why ever single person that has set fire to a Tesla has been caught. /s
Pics or it didn’t happen.
Ask a friend, easy peasy. Just make sure you say it in person away from any device in a backyard or in a park.
*This is not legal or illegal advice…
larping doesn’t count.
Everything counts in the real world, that’s how billionaires are where they are!
I’m sure all the fake money spend well in the real world.
That’s just how it works; Elongated Muskrat literally had fraud investigations and fired the people investigating him, he still spends that fake money 💀 Trump also had fraud charges, should be in prison, still spends that fake money.
Be for real dude, the average Joe would be in prison even with the best lawyers. My comment was satire of what to do to screw to system, but you don’t recognize satire so let me be clear; no, the average Joe can’t get away with this shit unless they are the luckiest mf alive, which is why my comment was said in humour lol
Yeah DO NOT commit insurance fruad. It’s a really bad idea. You will get caught. There’s about 100 different ways to get caught and you won’t figure out half of them, and what’s worse is that the money will point REALLY big red arrows at you and if you can’t defuse that attention, your doing time.
The irony here is that Hyundai models built 2019 - 2023 have an issue where they’ll spontaneously combust.
There is a whole bunch of regulatory stuff that’s been spun up for EVs over the past 7 years or so.
I have no idea if Hyundai had something out of the ordinary happen, but the public is generally very slow to change and are a bit hyper vigilant. Add in the fact that the press loves a good boogieman to get clicks and you’ll see some of the EV mess.
Are they safer than ICE? Yes. Should that stop there? No.
With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there’s a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire. There are a total of roughly 4.4 million gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles in Sweden, with an average of 3,384 fires per year, for a 1 in 1,300 chance of fire. That means gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids.
Hyundai and Kia always has something out of the ordinary happen. My model was an ICE with two major flaws: one meant that the engine was liable to catastrophically fail and catch on fire at around 90k miles, and the other made it so stealing them was literally child’s play. Kids were making TikToks on how to steal them…
Hyundais just aren’t good cars. They cut corners to the max, and when shit goes south just try to gaslight everyone involved. I’m highly skeptical that their EVs are high quality, because their ICE models were shitboxes.
I’ve heard insurance companies in the Un-united Dystopia of america have stopped insuring them
Good. That means the burn a Tesla campaign is working. The goal is no one buying any new ones.
Hyundai is not the move :p
I have owned only three brands of cars with a total of four different engines. And next to my Toyotas, my one Hyundai was incredibly reliable. Made it to 300k before I gave it away to my cousin. And the only time it ever left my in a jam was a Walmart parking lot when the starter burnt out. I walked across the street, bought a new one, and with the help of a YouTube video & $10 worth of tools from that very Walmart, shit was done. I highly recommend an old sonata to any one hard up, and in need for something reliable. Mine actually had heated seats! Easily the best $700 I’ve ever spent! I could rant about that car for ever.
Every time a Tesla cuts me off in traffic now, I contemplate following them until they park so I can carve “ASSHOLE” into the hood with my keys.
Oh boy, you’re so edgy.
You just know a dealership is going to get caught setting it’s own Teslas on fire. That is going to be the free space on many 2025 Bingo cards.
It’s actually just a convenient software update.
Download the update, start the engine, and run away
So long as only victims are insurance companies and Tesla, I am okay with it. To be fair, they kinda deserve it.
Insurance companies are never the only victim. They just pass the pain forward.
Tesla has its own insurance company so double whammy lmao
Well, no, it’s all of us, because of how insurance works. Payouts go up, premiums go up. As long as the number of destroyed Teslas is a drop in the ocean we won’t notice, but lots of companies love a good excuse to put prices up and this is just handing them a gold plated excuse on a silver platter.
Just a reminder that insurance is a scam. You are compelled to pay for it under penalty of law in the case of car insurance, and the insurance companies do everything possible to maximize their profits, being for profit companies. What this means in general is that people pay more into insurance than they ever get out. If they didn’t the insurance companies wouldn’t make a profit. The money you pay isn’t going into some huge fund that supports everyone who pays for it. If it doesn’t go to paying out claims now it goes straight to the insurance executives, or investors, or to “lobbying” politicians to keep the racket going. The day you stop paying out you get fucking nothing. All that money is just gone, for the pleasure of maybe having your claim paid out if your insurance company can’t weasel their way out of paying. Insurance is a scam, a bunch of penny pinching middlemen draining the world of human productivity and effort for their own benefit and nothing else. Any benefit a particular individual happens to get is a loss to be minimized to them.
Insurance is very much needed. If there weren’t that many reckless drivers then insurance would be cheaper.
I wish we had the same thing as in Singapore. Their cars literally cannot go over the speed limit.
But yes, when insurance is basically required to have, then it’s good to start having government participation in it. The government needs to be the majority stakeholder, as it also provides all of the customers.
It would be a scam if you couldn’t choose the company. However, you have plenty of options. Insurance also encourages better driving since things like tickets can cause price increases. There are some privacy concerns with insurance but that is a separate issue.
I mean, I would hope insurance doesn’t need to pay me. That imply I’ve involved in an accident or had my stuff stolen. Even a not for profit insurance company would operate like that. I can afford $100/mo but I cannot afford to replace not only my car but the car or property of whatever I may be found at fault for hitting(and if I get hit, can that person afford to pay me?). If I got into an accident, especially if I were younger, how would I replace my $5,000 car and the $70k BMW I just hit? What if my kid set my house on fire or what if fire leapt from my neighbour’s house to mine?
That said, it’s absolutely true that system is bloated to an absolutely disgusting level and its shocking lack of regulation for, as you say, being legally required is pitiful. It deplorable that people need to fight to get payouts sometimes and how the US uses it for healthcare is just hellish. It’s also true that the capitalist/libertarian ideal of insurance only really works if people are paid adequately but both those systems do fuck all, on purpose, to keep people’s financial security safe.
In Québec, liability is paid for by the province so our car insurance is a lot cheaper and regular insurance only needs to cover the physical property, so that’s nice. It’s still got it’s problems I’m sure, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Oh and the whole concept of an excess. So I have to pay to have my car insured but if the damage to my car is less than a certain amount I have to pay for it? What’s the point of the insurance then.
My car is probably worth less than the excess anyway so if it was a total write-off I’d get a maybe five hundred for it, and that’s it
What you are describing is not insurance, it’s capitalism in general.
being for profit companies
I think the approach in Australia is a bit better - bodily injury coverage is provided by the state and is part of the registration fee for the car.
It’s not perfect and only covers injuries to people, and does not cover repairing cars (you need to get separate insurance from an insurer for that) but it’s a good first step I guess. It means that as long as your car is registered, medical costs for both you and anyone you hit are covered.
In France, most insurance companies are mutual and not for profit. (Basically a communist hellhole!)
I’m also Australian and what this person is saying is true
I beleive its called “CTP” or “compulsory third party insurance” if I recall correctly
You can get additional optional car insurance in Australia as well
Yeah, CTP. I never drove or owned a car in Australia so I’m glad I got it right haha. I lived in Melbourne and used public transport all my life. I didn’t learn to drive until I moved to the USA.
Well, they’d put the premiums up on tesla owners as the cars now carry increased risk.
I honesty don’t think vandalism is covered under a lot of insurance policies.
Also I have yet to see a vandalized Tesla. It would be pretty silly for you to go vandalize a car as that’s not something you want on your criminal record.
Yes of course that’d be their primary source. But if that doesn’t cover all the payouts then it’ll lead to a general increase in insurance premiums for everyone.
No, because insurers are already maximising their prices. If they could increase they would. If they don’t price fairly (price inc. vandalism on Teslas only) then they will lose business to other insurers who have proportionally less Teslas on their books.
At least I’d be getting charged more for a real thing and not the normal made up reasons behind price hikes.
I scares me the number of people willing to commit insurance fraud. I’ve had friends who would do things like park there car in a hail storm.
Committing insurance fraud is honestly pretty questionable from a ethics perspective. You are cheating the game at the cost of everyone else. Why are people ok with this now in 2025? In the last few decades it as become socially acceptable to cheat the system for your own gain.
I fully support the arrest and prosecution of those who commit insurance fraud. Same goes for companies who cheat there workers out of pay.
The “ethics” of following laws stem entirely from the social contract. Both sides agree to a set of rules because it’s fair or in their mutual interest to take part in society. But when one side violates that social contract (causes a constitutional crisis, ignores the rule of law, etc.) then all bets are off. If you blindly follow the rules while the other side is actively ripping them up, then you’re at best a sucker and at worst complicit.
Would you/do you support what happened during the Boston tea party? I think we all like law and order, but under the current regime, justices are being found dead from mysterious causes. It’s hard to say it’s the same system of law we’re used to.
I think we all like law and order
Have you never met any anarchists?
Recently, actually. They have no idealogical allies, no plan, no nothing. They’re not a voting block anyone cares about, nor do they have any actual positions to argue. I do not take their opinions seriously.
They definitely do have positions and beliefs. I am not sure how much you actually understand anarchism. Anarchist “nations” have even been established before, but they tend to get invaded sooner or later. While they do sometimes ally with Marxists you would be correct in thinking they have few permanent allies. Hence the getting invaded part I guess.
I’m willing to admit that I don’t know a lot about anarchism. I’ve tried to learn more when I have the opportunity to talk to someone about it, but I never get anything insightful.
I’d love to know more about how an anarchist society could work.
Honestly your asking the wrong person here. I would suggest maybe starting with Krapotkin or Bakunin who were some of the early anarchists. That or just looking up anarchist philosophy and history. Anarchists have a history fighting against both fascism and some marxist tendencies like the Bolsheviks.
I mean, the environment is also a victim in that case
