And the second time, after 34 felony convictions.

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The lawsuits are ongoing, but yes there’s hard data to prove that there was a clear Russian Tail that favored the GOP in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Voter fraud has been proven, but it’s absolutely minuscule and virtually irrelevant other than for the purposes of monitoring it. Recent results point to Republicans being the more frequent culprit. However, fraud like fake Electors and Trump calling a Governor and asking for more votes to be “found” aren’t up for debate.

Oh, he won the popular vote with Kamala; I was talking about the first time around in 2016.

If it wasn’t for the EC, Hillary would have won and we might have avoided this decade+ of awfulness that having the EC choose him for us has wrought.

We have a terrible system where land counts more than people in many cases.

And I of course was being a bit hyperbolic about being annoyed that stupid people can outvote smarter people.

But yes, if a whole lot of people just don’t even bother to vote that’s obviously problematic. Of course, the conservatives want to make it even harder for people to vote, so only the most motivated people are going to show up, especially in places where the conservatives intentionally make voting difficult.

That’s correct. What I am trying to say that if the EC didn’t install him instead of who the people voted for in 2016 (Hillary), his political career may have ended in 2016.

Ok first of all, you’re coming off like kind of a dick, so maybe like, don’t.

But the principle of democracy is that everybody of age have a vote. Same as in other democracies.

Oh but that’s the really fun part, the US doesn’t have that. The EC that other person was talking about the the Electoral College.

See, the founding fathers thought that hey, even though the only people who vote are land owning white dudes, what if those yokels want to vote in someone bad? So they made the Electoral College. Basically each state has a certain amount of, well, guys, who aren’t really chosen by the voters, and they cast the vote for President. The more people in the state the more people that are in the electrical college.

In theory they could go against what the voters want to prevent a fascist from taking over, but usually they just rubber stamp whatever the population of their state votes for as a majority.

This causes some real tricky math, so some states have more influence over the election than others, and, sometimes, someone can lose the “popular vote” (how the citizens actually voted) and still win the presidency because they won the EC votes in the right states.

Basically this is why Ohio secretly controls the global powers.

But votes aren’t equal. People in populated states’ votes count less than cows and dirt in unpopulated states.

That ain’t democracy.

but he is not a convict as you are hinting

Oh, but he is. Guilty of 34 felony counts.

Also, EC means Electoral College but others have pointed that out.

I think when they mean “the land” they are referring to a pretty common argument about how not all votes count equally because of the way states are populated and congresspeople are appointed. Someone living in a city in California has diluted voting power compared to someone in Alaska because of population density. This is often reduced to a pithy refrain about “the land” getting votes.

I do agree that being upset that stupid people get to vote is not pro democracy.

“Convicted felon” is something Trump is. That term has nothing to do with serving time, despite the word “convict” sometimes meaning that. People would often type out “convicted felon Donald Trump” and this was shortened. Clearly you were able to deduce from context clues what they were talking about.

EC is a pretty common abbreviation for “electoral college” when already talking about politics.

The fact you’re unfamiliar with the landmass argument and EC and they are casually using them seems to indicate that they are more familiar with US political culture and contributes to the idea they are not lying about their location.

I don’t know where you’re from, but if you’re keen on protecting trumps image I’d do some introspection.

Hooray another person who doesn’t understand the USA electoral system telling us how our electoral system is / should be.

Wanna explain what a “liberal” is for us again? Ok thanks!

I see from her Wikipedia page that she expressed interest in joining Donvict’s legal team in 2020 over his lost election, LOL.

Oh, you’ll get no argument here. I used to call the teabaggers the teabirchers since most of their ideas (and probably many of the members, too) were retreads from the John Birch Society.

I’ve also read some things in recent years that wrote about how what really turbocharged the right wing was not so much abortion (or at least abortion alone), but the fact that white flight schools that people were sending their kids to were coming under fire from the IRS, and that really lit a fire under the ass of sending them into action and to the polls, as well as forging an alliance with xtians. That was the 1970s - another big instance of this kind of thing, probably leading to Reagan and his radical agenda sweeping Washington.

I should say that Obama is one of the more visible and recent instances of this, and the backlash (in the form of Donnie) was probably all-too-predictable.