All I’m seeing in this is someone dancing around their true position that is, “Two wrongs somehow make a right and I condone the Hamas terrorist attack and brutal murder of children because of other wrongs.”
Please, put your disdain for Israel aside for just a brief fucking moment and actually look at the individual civilians acutely affected. The sooner you act like a humanist independent of borders, the better off you will be.
I’m done with this fucked up conversation.
You’re overthinking this. It doesn’t matter what you and I or even Zelenskyy believed then or now about Israel; the only thing that mattered at the time was that global public sentiment was clearly behind Israel and that the acute footage of October 7 was horrifying and galvanizing for much of the international community in support of Israel. Zelenskyy would be a fool to not use that to drive a thorn in Iran’s side by hammering one of its proxies and forcing Iran – the nation supplying bombs to Russia to kill his own people – to withhold weapons stockpiles for its own defense. Welcome to the geopolitical chess-play of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Zelenskyy is not a Zionist.
Hot take around here but that was in the recent aftermath of October 7th which was – by all accounts – fucking horrendous. Date the remarks of Zelenskyy and you’ll find he has increasingly distanced himself as time went on and the scale of the atrocities levied in response by Israel following October 7th were made clear. At the time though, yes it was apt to equate Hamas and Russian terrorist attacks against civilians. 100%.
Pretty obvious that he was riding off the coattails to draw similarities of public outcries of support to Israel and express something akin to, “yeah, welcome to the club we’ve been in the same boat over here.”
I stand by what I said that he kind of has bigger issues at the home front and this is in no way shape or form evidence of him being a staunch Zionist.
What is your evidence that Zelenskyy is a zionist? Because to me I think the situation is more akin to: Zelenskyy will do whatever it takes to win his home, and if that means letting Israel be a thorn in the side of Iran who was at least at one point Russia’s arms supplier (not so much these days), then he’s all for it. I doubt he gives much thought at all to the notion of the Israel-Palestine conflict. After all, he kind of has bigger issues at the home front.
Well yes, he is a white supremacist bigot, which means he’s also a racist and a sexist. As is every single Republican in office toeing party line
Tangential, but I have a strong suspicion Andy Beshear is using something similar.
Republicans are trying VERY hard to make this stick.
I see a lot of disinfo astroturfing pushing this online, too.
So Gabbard steps down, Rubio announces US is no longer a mediary with Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine and now this admin is kissing ass of Pooh Bear? Looks like they found a bigger fish to pivot towards.
I remember when Obama handled an Ebola outbreak extremely effectively and also created a pandemic playbook that Trump summarily ignored.
Trump withdrew from WHO, so luckily for us, we Americans don’t have to pay attention! /s
Right, true. Though that’s because practically everyone at the time thought people would be crazy to vote for him in the first place.
Which absent of the Electoral College, they were right. Hillary won 3 million more votes and both then and now was objectively the better candidate for whom to vote.
Hence again, why Sanders endorsed and campaigned for her.
I don’t know about your situation and for whom you’re responsible, but until the binary election system changes – I cannot afford playing chicken with accelerationist rationale of choosing the Greater Poison in lieu of protecting my family and children – even if what some of what you say I agree with.
Trump was never the better alternative to Hillary. If anyone though this, they were fooled by right-wing extremists. I voted Hillary, even though I campaigned for Sanders.
Sanders in fact did the same thing, too, for the very reasons I laid out here.
Now I go to DSA and Democratic meetings alike to advocate for the most progressive candidates possible during these Democratic primaries. That is where I and many others have the most agency to effect change and avoid more Spanbergers and Fettermans, etc.
Better than the alternative but I knew she was more AIPAC trouble.
I’m sure Kamala would’ve done this too /s
In fact she did so because her esteemed colleagues told her to heel. After the vote, she changes her position. Interesting.
Speculative.
To other users reading this: This user tends to argue in bad faith and I’d advise tagging them accordingly, but I’ll just clarify for the record:
AOC voted against that bill because it actually enabled offensive bombs to continue while gutting defensive Iron Dome measures. AOC has long been a proponent of defensive measures that protect civilian life, independent of national flags. However, given the latest number of loopholes that Israel has used, AOC has as of April 1st adjusted her position to refuse ALL military aid to Israel.
It’s honestly both striking and funny to me that someone who had denounced Harris under this same purity test now suddenly is saying the left should work with fascists because there is common ground.
lol wow. Just wow.
I guess that’s single-issue tankies for you.
But can we try two celebrity Democrats for a change before making up our minds?
The problem is more they were conservatives; less so their celebrity status. All Republican presidents sucked since Ike, celebrity or not.
The hate for Trump needs to expand to cover the entire Republican party.
Trump is symptomatic; not causal. His removal from office in any form will in no way shape or form stop the billionaire class from coronating someone else.
Profit isn’t the goal with nationalized sectors in fairness; nor should one want that (obvious example being single payer universal Healthcare). The question is whether or not these systems can be regulated and in the public eye, if they have a benefit to society. Which realistically, the genie is never going back in the bottle on this. Much like the internet itself, pros and cons.