wow now make a version with legolas and gimli kissing in panel 3 please
Gay should be uncensored 😤
oh god you’re right, fixed
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It’s funny, because it’s true, but now I need a wholesome version of this with left unity pls,
The ML should playfully insult the anarchist back, then they just look at each other, then they make out and then they join hands in left unity.
In reality, the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. A huge number of proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.
The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there’s ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn’t actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.
Thank you, this is good to know!
No problem! They were called the “Red Anarchists” by Lenin.
Then the scene where they compete on who kills more orcs, but it’s who organized more people
Accurate if Gimli actually agreed and Legolas
slippedslit their throat after the battle.Can’t remember the last time I had my throat slipped. I think about it and touch myself at night.
Nah, in reality the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. Proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.
The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there’s ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn’t actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.
I agree with this. But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.
Lemmy is the first instance of MLs I ran into that were not just assholes. And I mean racist, sexist, etc. They then turned around and made jokes about killing anarchist.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general. I’m fortunate that I joined hexbear first, cause fucking hell I’d probably already be gone and wouldn’t of learn shit to change my veiw.
Course I’m just blocking them at this point. But idk, would like for others anxious About MLs like I was to be able to learn
But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.
They really don’t.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general
They annoy me, too, especially when they’re lazy, cheap shots like this low-effort meme. They’re counterproductive.
I dissuade Party members from putting down people who do not understand. Even people who are unenlightened and seemingly bourgeois should be answered in a polite way. Things should be explained to them as fully as possible. I was turned off by a person who did not want to talk to me because I was not important enough. Maurice just wanted to preach to the converted, who already agreed with him. I try to be cordial, because that way you win people over. You cannot win them over by drawing the line of demarcation, saying you are on this side and I am on the other; that shows a lack of consciousness. After the Black Panther Party was formed, I nearly fell into this error. I could not understand why people were blind to what I saw so clearly. Then I realized that their understanding had to be developed.
— Huey P. NewtonCan’t say I’ve seen MLs be racist. I’ve seen sexism in some bad orgs, and some orgs have been transphobic like the CPGB, but either way, sorry that that’s been your experience. Marxism-Leninism is a liberatory ideology that stands against racism, sexism, and transphobia if one is to actually follow dialectical materialism.
I will say, the anarchists that constantly joke about killing communists and “tankies” is also a problem. It’s a two-way street, and usually arises from being entirely too online and not touching grass.
At the end of the day, I disagree with anarchism. I abandoned my anarchist past and agree with Marxism-Leninism, and that’s only gotten firmer over time. At the same time, I really wish the slapfighting would stop, either have a real conversation or work together.
I definitely agree with that
And I’m also sad that had been my experience. It created a lot of anxiety with how man MLs there were and the two IRL I met. Very glad its not the norm like I was afraid it was.
When western anarchists dismiss AES countries for being “authoritarian” or “capitalist” then they are defaulting to the status quo of Western imperialism. When they say they dislike both USA and China for the same reason, they are again defaulting to Western supremacy whether they intent to or not.
I’ve had my share of anarchists that get extremely defensive over their country (usually USA) being criticized over enacting imperialism when they are criticizing AES countries and especially China and DPRK, as “whataboutism”. It reeks of chauvinism and white supremacy, not realizing that there’s an inherent behaviour of preferring their country to stay in power due to fear of “the scary Chinese” and etc.
What’s tankle?
It’s when you go out on a sunny day wearing capri pants and get sun damage just on the exposed lower part of your leg that connect to the foot
A pejorative for socialists that support socialist states.
That’s a tankie. nutbutter is asking what a tankLe is. I think it’s safe to assume they’re just playing around because the title font (at least as seen from Hexbear) makes the letter ambiguous.
I also see that while you answered the perceived question correctly and succinctly as always, CobraCommander didn’t catch the joke either but went on to parrot fascist propaganda instead.
I’m sure it probably was a joke, but it still helps IMO to answer genuinely for onlookers. And yea, CobraCommander whitewashing pograms (intentionally or not) is why I think it’s still helpful to counter these and take jokes “seriously” when they come from people that may not be joking.
I’ve found anarchists are more lenient to many socialists but they will absolutely condemn Marxist-Leninists and Maoists for example
Sure, the important bit is whether or not the socialist actually supports existing socialism, or condemns existing socialism and simply likes the idea of socialism. The ones that support real, existing socialism are the ones that get attacked, because it means you stand on the side of something that already exists.
It’s “tankie” and it’s someone that supports sending a taxidriver to a year in a labor camp because he slid into an old guy that was jaywalking
Originally supporters of using literal tanks to crush student protest. It’s applied to the auth left and refers to those who favour using force against the proletariat to ensure state power is not threatened.
Originally supporters of using literal tanks to crush student protest. It’s applied to the auth left and refers to those who favour using force against the proletariat to ensure state power is not threatened.
2 major errors here:
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The Hungarian counter-revolt was fascist in character. Students participated, but literal Nazis let out of prison by the counter-revolt were lynching communists and Jews.
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“Tankies” support using the state against fascists and capitalists, not the proletariat. Further, the path to eroding the basis of the state is through socialism, therefore a counter-revolt against the socialist state doesn’t weaken state power in general, but socialist state power in particular. It just opens the road for restoration of capitalist state power.
“Tankie” was a pejorative for Marxists that support socialism in real life then as well as now. It originated in the Communist Party of Great Britain. The term was coined because of the British tendency towards silly-sounding insults, and because the Soviet Union sent in the Red Army to stop the western-backed fascist insurrection. This caused a split in the party (as it always does in western orgs).
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”
“But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”
“Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
“The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Nowadays, it’s used by any random anti-communist to refer to anyone that supports socialist states or doesn’t buy into the imperialist narrative about global south countries. It was the ones they call “tankies” that knew the stories of WMD and Saddam’s forces leaving babies outside of incubators were both bullshit to manufacture consent for war, but now that its decades later the anti-communists all suddenly have collective amnesia about their willing participation in spreading the lies of empire to murder hundreds of thousands of people.
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