Nah, in reality the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. Proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.
The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there’s ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn’t actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.
I agree with this. But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.
Lemmy is the first instance of MLs I ran into that were not just assholes. And I mean racist, sexist, etc. They then turned around and made jokes about killing anarchist.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general. I’m fortunate that I joined hexbear first, cause fucking hell I’d probably already be gone and wouldn’t of learn shit to change my veiw.
Course I’m just blocking them at this point. But idk, would like for others anxious About MLs like I was to be able to learn
But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.
They really don’t.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general
They annoy me, too, especially when they’re lazy, cheap shots like this low-effort meme. They’re counterproductive.
I dissuade Party members from putting down people who do not understand. Even people who are unenlightened and seemingly bourgeois should be answered in a polite way. Things should be explained to them as fully as possible. I was turned off by a person who did not want to talk to me because I was not important enough. Maurice just wanted to preach to the converted, who already agreed with him. I try to be cordial, because that way you win people over. You cannot win them over by drawing the line of demarcation, saying you are on this side and I am on the other; that shows a lack of consciousness. After the Black Panther Party was formed, I nearly fell into this error. I could not understand why people were blind to what I saw so clearly. Then I realized that their understanding had to be developed.
— Huey P. Newton
Can’t say I’ve seen MLs be racist. I’ve seen sexism in some bad orgs, and some orgs have been transphobic like the CPGB, but either way, sorry that that’s been your experience. Marxism-Leninism is a liberatory ideology that stands against racism, sexism, and transphobia if one is to actually follow dialectical materialism.
I will say, the anarchists that constantly joke about killing communists and “tankies” is also a problem. It’s a two-way street, and usually arises from being entirely too online and not touching grass.
At the end of the day, I disagree with anarchism. I abandoned my anarchist past and agree with Marxism-Leninism, and that’s only gotten firmer over time. At the same time, I really wish the slapfighting would stop, either have a real conversation or work together.
And I’m also sad that had been my experience. It created a lot of anxiety with how man MLs there were and the two IRL I met. Very glad its not the norm like I was afraid it was.
When western anarchists dismiss AES countries for being “authoritarian” or “capitalist” then they are defaulting to the status quo of Western imperialism. When they say they dislike both USA and China for the same reason, they are again defaulting to Western supremacy whether they intent to or not.
I’ve had my share of anarchists that get extremely defensive over their country (usually USA) being criticized over enacting imperialism when they are criticizing AES countries and especially China and DPRK, as “whataboutism”. It reeks of chauvinism and white supremacy, not realizing that there’s an inherent behaviour of preferring their country to stay in power due to fear of “the scary Chinese” and etc.
Accurate if Gimli actually agreed and Legolas
slippedslit their throat after the battle.Can’t remember the last time I had my throat slipped. I think about it and touch myself at night.
Nah, in reality the majority of anarchists joined the Soviets just fine. Proletarian and peasant anarchists joined the Red Army and banded together with the rest of the proletariat and peasantry. The remaining anarchists were largely petite bourgeois, bourgeois, etc, and this makes sense, as the new socialist state worked in the interests of the working classes while it continued to work against the petite bourgeoisie. In other words, socialism was liberating for most anarchists, but continued to oppress the minority of anarchists that did not gain from socialism.
The narrative of Marxists stabbing anarchists in the back is meant to split the left. Of course there’s ideological disagreements, but the idea that the anarchists were so weak and ineffective that they got rolled completely makes anarchism entirely unconvincing. The reality is that the majority of anarchists didn’t actually fight back, they fought alongside the Marxists and generally came to Marxism over anarchism. They were fantastic comrades and their victories in defeating the Whites with the rest of the Reds is erased to keep leftist infighting going.
I agree with this. But I will say “Anarcokiddies get the wall” jokes really don’t help either when they pop up.
Lemmy is the first instance of MLs I ran into that were not just assholes. And I mean racist, sexist, etc. They then turned around and made jokes about killing anarchist.
I find the constant random shitting on anarchist around here annoying in general. I’m fortunate that I joined hexbear first, cause fucking hell I’d probably already be gone and wouldn’t of learn shit to change my veiw.
Course I’m just blocking them at this point. But idk, would like for others anxious About MLs like I was to be able to learn
They really don’t.
They annoy me, too, especially when they’re lazy, cheap shots like this low-effort meme. They’re counterproductive.
I dissuade Party members from putting down people who do not understand. Even people who are unenlightened and seemingly bourgeois should be answered in a polite way. Things should be explained to them as fully as possible. I was turned off by a person who did not want to talk to me because I was not important enough. Maurice just wanted to preach to the converted, who already agreed with him. I try to be cordial, because that way you win people over. You cannot win them over by drawing the line of demarcation, saying you are on this side and I am on the other; that shows a lack of consciousness. After the Black Panther Party was formed, I nearly fell into this error. I could not understand why people were blind to what I saw so clearly. Then I realized that their understanding had to be developed.
— Huey P. Newton
Can’t say I’ve seen MLs be racist. I’ve seen sexism in some bad orgs, and some orgs have been transphobic like the CPGB, but either way, sorry that that’s been your experience. Marxism-Leninism is a liberatory ideology that stands against racism, sexism, and transphobia if one is to actually follow dialectical materialism.
I will say, the anarchists that constantly joke about killing communists and “tankies” is also a problem. It’s a two-way street, and usually arises from being entirely too online and not touching grass.
At the end of the day, I disagree with anarchism. I abandoned my anarchist past and agree with Marxism-Leninism, and that’s only gotten firmer over time. At the same time, I really wish the slapfighting would stop, either have a real conversation or work together.
I definitely agree with that
And I’m also sad that had been my experience. It created a lot of anxiety with how man MLs there were and the two IRL I met. Very glad its not the norm like I was afraid it was.
When western anarchists dismiss AES countries for being “authoritarian” or “capitalist” then they are defaulting to the status quo of Western imperialism. When they say they dislike both USA and China for the same reason, they are again defaulting to Western supremacy whether they intent to or not.
I’ve had my share of anarchists that get extremely defensive over their country (usually USA) being criticized over enacting imperialism when they are criticizing AES countries and especially China and DPRK, as “whataboutism”. It reeks of chauvinism and white supremacy, not realizing that there’s an inherent behaviour of preferring their country to stay in power due to fear of “the scary Chinese” and etc.