That’s a tankie. nutbutter is asking what a tankLe is. I think it’s safe to assume they’re just playing around because the title font (at least as seen from Hexbear) makes the letter ambiguous.
I also see that while you answered the perceived question correctly and succinctly as always, CobraCommander didn’t catch the joke either but went on to parrot fascist propaganda instead.
Sure, the important bit is whether or not the socialist actually supports existing socialism, or condemns existing socialism and simply likes the idea of socialism. The ones that support real, existing socialism are the ones that get attacked, because it means you stand on the side of something that already exists.
Originally supporters of using literal tanks to crush student protest. It’s applied to the auth left and refers to those who favour using force against the proletariat to ensure state power is not threatened.
Originally supporters of using literal tanks to crush student protest. It’s applied to the auth left and refers to those who favour using force against the proletariat to ensure state power is not threatened.
2 major errors here:
The Hungarian counter-revolt was fascist in character. Students participated, but literal Nazis let out of prison by the counter-revolt were lynching communists and Jews.
“Tankies” support using the state against fascists and capitalists, not the proletariat. Further, the path to eroding the basis of the state is through socialism, therefore a counter-revolt against the socialist state doesn’t weaken state power in general, but socialist state power in particular. It just opens the road for restoration of capitalist state power.
“Tankie” was a pejorative for Marxists that support socialism in real life then as well as now. It originated in the Communist Party of Great Britain. The term was coined because of the British tendency towards silly-sounding insults, and because the Soviet Union sent in the Red Army to stop the western-backed fascist insurrection. This caused a split in the party (as it always does in western orgs).
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”
“But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”
“Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
“The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Nowadays, it’s used by any random anti-communist to refer to anyone that supports socialist states or doesn’t buy into the imperialist narrative about global south countries. It was the ones they call “tankies” that knew the stories of WMD and Saddam’s forces leaving babies outside of incubators were both bullshit to manufacture consent for war, but now that its decades later the anti-communists all suddenly have collective amnesia about their willing participation in spreading the lies of empire to murder hundreds of thousands of people.
What’s tankle?
It’s when you go out on a sunny day wearing capri pants and get sun damage just on the exposed lower part of your leg that connect to the foot
It’s “tankie” and it’s someone that supports sending a taxidriver to a year in a labor camp because he slid into an old guy that was jaywalking
A pejorative for socialists that support socialist states.
That’s a tankie. nutbutter is asking what a tankLe is. I think it’s safe to assume they’re just playing around because the title font (at least as seen from Hexbear) makes the letter ambiguous.
I also see that while you answered the perceived question correctly and succinctly as always, CobraCommander didn’t catch the joke either but went on to parrot fascist propaganda instead.
I’ve found anarchists are more lenient to many socialists but they will absolutely condemn Marxist-Leninists and Maoists for example
Sure, the important bit is whether or not the socialist actually supports existing socialism, or condemns existing socialism and simply likes the idea of socialism. The ones that support real, existing socialism are the ones that get attacked, because it means you stand on the side of something that already exists.
Originally supporters of using literal tanks to crush student protest. It’s applied to the auth left and refers to those who favour using force against the proletariat to ensure state power is not threatened.
2 major errors here:
The Hungarian counter-revolt was fascist in character. Students participated, but literal Nazis let out of prison by the counter-revolt were lynching communists and Jews.
“Tankies” support using the state against fascists and capitalists, not the proletariat. Further, the path to eroding the basis of the state is through socialism, therefore a counter-revolt against the socialist state doesn’t weaken state power in general, but socialist state power in particular. It just opens the road for restoration of capitalist state power.
“Tankie” was a pejorative for Marxists that support socialism in real life then as well as now. It originated in the Communist Party of Great Britain. The term was coined because of the British tendency towards silly-sounding insults, and because the Soviet Union sent in the Red Army to stop the western-backed fascist insurrection. This caused a split in the party (as it always does in western orgs).
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Nowadays, it’s used by any random anti-communist to refer to anyone that supports socialist states or doesn’t buy into the imperialist narrative about global south countries. It was the ones they call “tankies” that knew the stories of WMD and Saddam’s forces leaving babies outside of incubators were both bullshit to manufacture consent for war, but now that its decades later the anti-communists all suddenly have collective amnesia about their willing participation in spreading the lies of empire to murder hundreds of thousands of people.