Jon Stewart torched the DNC and Democratic leadership as "lost" after learning from a candidate with a massive lead that he's heard zilch from the party.
The DNC is an open enemy of the left. They’re explicitly paid by the oligarchy to oppose leftist candidates.
The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump’s presidency. They did more than anyone else to ensure - not once but twice - that he would win. The voters made it very clear that they wanted a leftist, and the DNC effectively said, “Fuck you - you’re going to get a pro-corporate, pro-zionist, neoliberal piece of shit and if you don’t like it, that’s your fucking problem.”
And they’re already laying the groundwork to do it again in 2028.
If the dnc and not Trump or nonvoters are the reason Trump won, that’s an absolutely damning condemnation of the entirety of American culture and people. You’re saying the entire culture is so myopic selfish and self destructive that we’ll gladly burn our house down because our gilded shit wasn’t also diamond encrusted. Like do you even understand how absolutely fucked and warped your perspective is to legitimately blame literally the only vehicle for progress in America for the lack of progress instead of the entities actively attacking and dismantling the fucking country, pretending like a third of the population isn’t openly supremacist and actively wants the death of another third. Just be honest that you’re an accelerationist or straight up republican because that’s all you’re helping.
Weird that looking back through your profile, you only show up every month or two, in the wake of one specific event, then make a flurry of posts angrily pimping the oligarch line, then vanish again.
And doubly weird that so many of your posts accuse other posters of working for, or at least carrying water for, some group or another, almost as if that whole notion of deceptively posting for the benefit of some specific group has a permanent place right at the forefront of your mind.
Well that’s a fuckin reach. I get tired of Lemmy throating the same dozen ml posters over and over so I leave again. I’m sorry that i understand that this supposed revolution all you accelerationists think is the only path forward isn’t actually feasible, and that the only actual possible change is through the system. Because if the system collapses then you and untold millions more will die shortly after. Idiots thinking overthrowing capitalism won’t completely destroy the social world order and kill most of you with it.
Mamdani overthrew the economy in New York City everyone. Untold millions… dying in the streets.
Leftist politicians, even if they win, will be the destruction of all human kind. We have to accept capitalism and its destructive wake. It’s the best way forward for humanity. Pay no attention what-so-ever to the capitalists blowing up school girls to bloody bits raining in streets in Iran to manipulate the oil market—they’re failing so it’s okay as long as little girls die for capitalism. Stop! Fighting! Capitalism! leftists! IT’S GOOD FOR YOU!
The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump’s presidency.
Yeah, I’m gonna hard NOPE right out of that assertion. The republicans are not virgins at a debutante’s ball, they’ve been working directly toward this goal for at least forty years, and the ones that are up there now, including the house speaker and corrupt SCOTUS, are doing everything in their power to keep him there, marching in lockstep as they go.
Where is your broad censure for them, the ones actively planning and carrying out Project 2025, the ones robbing the country blind, the ones doing everything they can right now to ensure we lose our democracy? Because it’s sure as fuck nowhere in your comment.
The DNC is an open enemy of the left. They’re explicitly paid by the oligarchy to oppose leftist candidates.
This is true, and by far not the DNC’s only crime.
But when you give the actual perps a complete, total, 100% pass in favor of attacking the only people still trying to stop them (even though some of them are only vaguely gesturing in that direction, to be sure) you’re batting for the wrong team.
That said, I’ll never vote for a non-progressive over a progressive again as long as I live. If by that time I still have a vote that matters, of course.
Do you simply not grasp the concept of writing on topic?
My post was about the DNC and the Dem leadership. Why in the wallowing fuck would I spend half of it talking about the Republicans?
If you’re too fucking stupid to grasp the very simple fact that criticizing one group is not by any stretch of the imagination giving a “complete, total, 100% pass” to an entirely separate group, then that’s very much your problem - not mine.
Bernie overwhelmingly lost against Hillary, he was really only popular on the internet with people that don’t vote in the first place, he never stood a fucking chance.
Aside from Trump himself, I would go so far as to say that the one single person in the entire world who bears more responsibility for Trump’s presidency than anyone else is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
The voters clearly expressed their preference for Sanders and Sanders easily led both Clinton and Trump in polling, and then the DNC effectively fraudulently nominated Clinton anyway (with their technically valid but obviously corrupt defense being that they weren’t required to accept the voters’ preference).
They set the stage for Trump and the oligarchs to just walk right in, and then tried to blame everybody but themselves when they walked right in.
I recall no indications that the RNC preferred Jeb. In fact, after 4 mediocre years with George HW, and the 8 disastrous years in which the negligence, incompetence, and corruption of the George W Bush Administration was responsible for the avoidable deaths of well over 10,000 American citizens, countless foreign nationals, and the worst economic downfall since the Great Depression, I don’t remember ANYONE looking forward to another Bush administration.
Even though he was the one Bush who wasn’t a self serving dipshit, and probably would have made a decent president (he had done a great job as governor of Florida) his political viability on the National stage was destroyed after his father’s, and especially his brother’s, failures as president. I don’t recall him winning a single primary race, or even finishing in the top 3.
They had plenty of candidates that year, but none of them could get any traction because the media only had eyes for the trainwreck that is Donald Trump, and combined with Russian propaganda and manipulation of social media, he was kept at the forefront at all times. In America, especially back then, just being familiar is good enough to be politically viable, even if it’s for all the wrong reasons.
What happened, the alternate reality they created to seize absolute power was itself seized by the now president that could talk shit better than they could. It was inevitable. He seized control of the party in the process of overthrowing the Republic. He mucked it up too, yet because the Democrats are so weak and worthless he won anyway. Or less charitably because the Democrats are the controlled opposition which is the truth.
Well, maybe they should have spoken up. I know they had issues with running another Bush, but Hillary was carrying similar baggage, and they would have cancelled each other out, for the most part. How could they possibly think Trump would be better?
What Dems can’t seem to understand is that Bernie was NEVER going to get the Democratic Nomination because he’s NOT A DEMOCRAT.
The Presidential Nomination is the biggest award a party can give to a candidate. It essentially puts them at the head of the party. Bernie is a card-carrying Independent. He is NOT a member of the Democratic party. The party (The DNC) wants reward their own members, and give the nomination to a party member who has been supportive of the party over the years, and gathered the support of most of the country.
But Bernie has never been a Democrat, and is often nearly as critical of the Dems as he is of MAGA. He might caucus with the Dems, but he doesn’t raise money for them, his agenda is entirely different, and his successes are not their successes. The DNC feels about him almost the same as they feel about a MAGA candidate, or any candidate from any other party.
How would you feel if a Libertarian hijacked the DNC’s infrastructure and forced the party to support him, just because he got a bunch votes under their banner? He doesn’t like you, he doesn’t hang out with you, he doesn’t help you, he just called himself one of you so he could run, and he has no intention of following any of your policies. He’s just using your party to get what he wants, without regard to what the party wants.
Now, when it comes to the corrupt DNC, ALL of that sounds great to me, but it’s terrifying to the DNC. At the time, it came down to having two candidates - one who has dedicated their life to the party, and who has an excellent resume, including 8 years in the White House already, or a popular outside interloper who is trying to exploit the system for their own personal gain.
Take out the emotion of Bernie getting screwed, and you can understand why the DNC made that decision, even though we hate it. And guess what? They’d make that same decision 10 out of 10 times. They simply won’t give their precious nomination to an outsider.
Edit: Yeah, I get downvoted for this opinion every time I express it, but it’s true, and we all know it.
Bullshit. I do not find this to be an insightful take.
You speak as if the Democrats are acting in good faith and not the controlled opposition of fascists which they are. The leadership is, whether they know it or not and they should know it.
Perhaps YOU don’t, but if someone has never considered this idea, then it IS insightful, even if they don’t like it. But that doesn’t make it wrong, just unsavory. That’s the way MAGA thinks: I don’t like it, therefore it’s wrong.
You speak as if the Democrats are acting in good faith
Not at all. I don’t think either party exists in good faith. In fact, I think the point of political parties is to take “good faith” out of the equation, and make decisions based on cold political calculations, and money, of course. You can’t allow nebulous concepts like good faith, morals, fairness, truth, etc. muddy the waters. Let’s just boil it down to inhuman Math.
I’m a lifelong Independent, since I first registered to vote 50 years ago this year. I declined to declare a party then, and I haven’t since, with the only exception being in 2016, when I switched my registration so I could vote for Bernie in the primary, and then changed my registration right back.
I was one of you people, angry that Bernie never got a fair shot, but then I started thinking about it, and realized that he suffered the biggest problem with a two party system - even though the Independents are a larger share than either the Dems or the MAGAs, they don’t have ANY power in a 2 party system, because the two parties make sure to ice out any third party, as they should. Nominating a non-party member is a huge betrayal to party members who would have liked to have that nomination. Besides, the president is essentially the leader of the party. A party can’t have a leader that isn’t a member of their party, and has an agenda that is at odds with the party’s agenda. Otherwise, why have parties at all?
Frankly, that’s what happened to the Republicans. They allowed a really bad candidate to hijack their party, simply because he had popularity, and they were so desperate and pusillanimous, they made a deal with the Devil. I’m not saying that Bernie would have been as bad as Trump, but it shows how allowing an outsider to lead your party, can end in disaster. The Republicans let in the disease, while the Dems vaxxed themselves against the threat, and Bernie got caught in it.
Running as an Independent is a complex and dangerous calculation, and looking back, I wish he had. In a 3 way race between Bernie, Hillary, and Trump, Bernie might actually have won it, especially since a significant chunk of Trump’s support were originally Bernie supporters who refused to vote for Hillary after the DNC edged him out. If he had gone Independent, he might have beaten Trump. That’s on Bernie.
The president wasn’t given the Republican party, he took it from the party.
You are a spousing a defeatism that is just not accurate. We can seize control of the Democratic Party, we came close to doing so without any real leadership, they’re weak they’re unpopular and they’re doomed to fail.
It’s not “Defeatism,” it’s the simple truth. The DNC was NEVER going to give an Independent candidate their nomination, and they never will. That is the NATURE of a political party. If any outsider can come along and claim a party’s nomination, what’s the point of a party?
What if a Republican decides that his primary is too crowded, so he declares as a Democrat, but still runs as a Republican, and Republicans vote for him in huge numbers? Is the DNC obligated to give that disengenuous candidate their nomination? If they can be forced to give it to a good candidate like Bernie, then they can be forced to give it to a terrible one like a MAGA.
The truth may hurt, but that doesn’t make it wrong.
Parties have rules, and votes decide leadership. They barely held on to it the preceding two elections before the last one where they just anointed the most unpopular candidate they could find.
they just anointed the most unpopular candidate they could find.
BOTH parties do that! The system seems to filter out the best candidates, and reward the worst. If there was ever proof that the system is broken, it’s that.
The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump’s presidency
Man…
The craziest part is the ~400 some people that get to vote when a Dem doesn’t win agreed with you a year ago when they voted for someone that wasn’t a neoliberal.
Like, if it was 15 months ago, you’d be 100% correct.
The main problem, is you think “the DNC” is a monolith, and not just the chair getting a four year term to do anything they want.
Obama ignored the DNC because they worked with Hillary in the primary and went bankrupt.
So neoliberals kept going into 2016, rigged it against Bernie, and when Hillary lost and all the money had been siphoned off to the first Victory Fund, they had no choice to pick a neoliberal in 2017 to have access to the VF or the party would have died. Maybe it should have a decade ago, but it didn’t.
That chair rigged it for Biden, and Biden put another neoliberal in charge of the DNC, and in return Kamala got the VF and the nomination with no primary.
Which takes us to 2025, and the ~400 voting members got a chance again.
And they picked the guy who ran Minnesota for a decade and has an incredibly strong track record anyone can easily look up.
We fucking won…
We got the party back.
The literal.only way we can lose it is if people check out of the Dem presidential and a neoliberal like Newsome gets the nomination and wins the general, that hands the keys of the party back and neoliberals will never let them go again.
No matter what happens, in the next Dem presidential primary vote for whoever is furtherest left, if nothing else to spite what you think the DNC still is.
Anything else and you might fuck us all
Edit:
I didn’t mention what happened with the Victory Fund, after Kamala the DNC got the keys to it.
For the last year we’ve had the largest reinvesture of funds from the DNC to state parties…
All that money back to states that need it to win these races, instead of sitting in a bank account until it’s time to throw another meaningless dinner with George Clooney.
We don’t want a large powerful national organization… Like, we want bottom-up power structure and that’s what we’re going back to…
The stuff people want to happen is happening, it’s been happening.
They just still suck at messaging, partly because they don’t think the party should be driving the bus.
I don’t know, I’ve heard that, that this is a new DNC, but I’m still waiting for more proof. I just remember David Hogg getting into the DNC last year, and declaring that he was going to overhaul it, and they kicked him right out.
Is this “new” DNC before or after they proved where they stand about a supporting a REAL gun control
advocate?
If you have faith in DNC chair Ken Martin then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
He’s the guy who promised to realease the autopsy of the 2024 election, and is now refusing to release it. You really think he’s going to reform the DNC?
He’s the guy who promised to realease the autopsy of the 2024 election
When?
Seriously, when did he ever say he’d be the first DNC chair to publicly release that standard internal document?
We don’t even need to get into why publicly releasing war plans is bad strategy…
Or even why billionaire owned media wants him to release it…
You really think he’s going to reform the DNC?
All you gotta do is vote in the primary…
Logically, if you think you might be right, you should also be pushing people to vote in the Dem primary to stop it…
What is the benefit to telling progressives not to vote in the primary?
It comes with zero strings or obligations in the general…
But if you can’t predict what I’ll be saying if a neoliberal somehow grabs the nom, you might want to read again:
The literal.only way we can lose it is if people check out of the Dem presidential and a neoliberal like Newsome gets the nomination and wins the general, that hands the keys of the party back and neoliberals will never let them go again.
No matter what happens, in the next Dem presidential primary vote for whoever is furtherest left, if nothing else to spite what you think the DNC still is.
Anything else and you might fuck us all
Literally anything is better than repeating Biden in 2020, because then they get the DNC back.
I guarantee I won’t be telling people to vote for a neoliberal in 2028, because I plan more than a single election ahead
Specifically, Martin stressed that he was not coming to Washington to placate the political consultant class. His allies said that underneath his Minnesota nice exterior, he could be cutthroat. They promised he would be. And that the getting down to brass tacks would start with a rigorous analysis of where the party went wrong in the 2024 election, written up in a report that Martin committed to release publicly.
“Of course it will be released,” Martin said after winning the chairmanship. “There has to be some lessons that we glean.”
I can’t quote it because it’s a screenshot, but bro…
You read that and thought it meant to the public?
Edit:
To clarify, that tweet is what your article uses as a source, and the article and person who posted that’s creenshot seem to be willfully misrepresenting it…
Journalists should know better, regular Americans, it’s understandable not everyone digs deep these days, doesn’t mean we can’t do better or that we don’t need to do better tho
Now we’re fighting about sources? This is tiresome.
How do you explain Ken Martin’s recent interview with Pod Save America?
The host asks
When you won the chairmanship in Feb of 25, you criticized the DNC’s refusal to release their 2016 autopsy as exactly what not to do. You asked “was there any utility in doing that?” and then promised your 2024 autopsy would be different. Your exact quote was “of course it would be released”. Why did you change your mind on that?
Ken Martin does not push back against this quotation. He responds by saying he’s “focusing on the lessons that can actually help us win”. He goes on to say it’s “not completely accurate to say we didn’t release [the autopsy] because we are focused on the lessons that can actually help us win”.
Youtube - Jon Favreau interviews DNC Chair Ken Martin in a heated exchange over Democratic strategy.
I’m literally still trying to explain to you what the DNC is…
And who “DNC members are”.
Like, are you saying the DNC members picked Martin…
And that Martin lied to them, and is now breaking his promise to him…
Which means if the DNC is still shit like you think, that’s a good thing? Like, logically you’re points aren’t adding up, except you’re really motivated to turn people against the party without even trying to answer:
Why don’t you want progressives to vote in the Dem primary?
So I’ll ask again:
Why don’t you want progressivesnto vote in the Dem primary?
Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy, and you’re suggesting that he meant release it only to the DNC and not to the public? Buddy, you’re really reaching here. Did you watch the Pod Save interview that I linked? It makes your position look quite foolish and ahistorical.
As for progressives voting in primaries, I want the maximum amount of them to vote. Lying to them about the virtues of the DNC chair is not a good strategy to get them to vote, honesty works better.
Martin’s decision to withhold the report doubles back on a pledge he made just hours after he was elected to be the DNC’s chair in February. In comments to reporters, Martin committed to the public release of the 2024 report.
At the time, he also questioned why the DNC hadn’t released its 2016 autopsy, when he questioned, “what happened with that … was there any utility in doing that?”
“Of course it will be released,” Martin said in February, referring to a future review on the 2024 election.
Bernie won the primaries against Hillary if the DNC hadn’t ignored the will of the people with superdelegates. And he had a 10% greater lead against Trump than she did. So that’s clearly untrue. All polls indicated that he would have easily won against Trump.
I personally know 2 conservatives that switched to democrat to vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because they were so confident he would lose but they weren’t sure they could beat Hilary. They laughed at the idea of Bernie winning.
The polls weren’t really saying that on any regular basis. A few said she’d squeak by, some said she’d lose, but she never really had a 10 point lead like Bernie.
The rest of your statements and link are anecdotal nonsense hit pieces of the type that was very commonly posted in the corporate media back then to dissuade the easily fooled into not taking Sanders seriously.
Look at the link I sent. Pretty much all the polls showed him 5-12% ahead of Trump. None showed Hillary ahead by that much. The DNC made an own goal and it was obvious that it would play out that way.
Your sources are your own blog. Hopefully I don’t need to explain why that isn’t a credible source. Especially when they start off with this red flag: “First off, Jill Stein and the Green Party were not a spoiler in this election”
If the polls are inaccurate then it doesn’t matter what the polls say…
The DNC has failed the voter base. People got excited when Obama first ran. No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They both did better than leftist. Which is expected because centrist are the largest voting demographic.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
Leftists could do this also but I’ve seen more liberals doing it this election season than leftists. Which is expected because leftist have so few voters.
I think the people here have a massively skewed idea as to how many leftist voters are in the US. Bernie literally lost the primary, and they still act like Kamala would have won if she had pandered more to the left.
You’re right and if no one steps in and tries to bring them back to reality they will try to run a campaign without the support of the voters and America with slide further right as a result of their delusional thinking.
I agree. I doubt that leftist candidates would be popular in the context of what I said. I see it realistically as short of revolution, the dems are not going anywhere. If they actually listened to America, they might hear our voices too. This would help get our proverbial foot in the door, where we could actually push the party from center-right to at least left adjacent. I’d also support us simply experiencing a paradigm shift spontaneously, but I get the feeling that won’t happen…yet.
Fuck the DNC.
The DNC is an open enemy of the left. They’re explicitly paid by the oligarchy to oppose leftist candidates.
The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump’s presidency. They did more than anyone else to ensure - not once but twice - that he would win. The voters made it very clear that they wanted a leftist, and the DNC effectively said, “Fuck you - you’re going to get a pro-corporate, pro-zionist, neoliberal piece of shit and if you don’t like it, that’s your fucking problem.”
And they’re already laying the groundwork to do it again in 2028.
If the dnc and not Trump or nonvoters are the reason Trump won, that’s an absolutely damning condemnation of the entirety of American culture and people. You’re saying the entire culture is so myopic selfish and self destructive that we’ll gladly burn our house down because our gilded shit wasn’t also diamond encrusted. Like do you even understand how absolutely fucked and warped your perspective is to legitimately blame literally the only vehicle for progress in America for the lack of progress instead of the entities actively attacking and dismantling the fucking country, pretending like a third of the population isn’t openly supremacist and actively wants the death of another third. Just be honest that you’re an accelerationist or straight up republican because that’s all you’re helping.
Weird that looking back through your profile, you only show up every month or two, in the wake of one specific event, then make a flurry of posts angrily pimping the oligarch line, then vanish again.
And doubly weird that so many of your posts accuse other posters of working for, or at least carrying water for, some group or another, almost as if that whole notion of deceptively posting for the benefit of some specific group has a permanent place right at the forefront of your mind.
Well that’s a fuckin reach. I get tired of Lemmy throating the same dozen ml posters over and over so I leave again. I’m sorry that i understand that this supposed revolution all you accelerationists think is the only path forward isn’t actually feasible, and that the only actual possible change is through the system. Because if the system collapses then you and untold millions more will die shortly after. Idiots thinking overthrowing capitalism won’t completely destroy the social world order and kill most of you with it.
Mamdani overthrew the economy in New York City everyone. Untold millions… dying in the streets.
Leftist politicians, even if they win, will be the destruction of all human kind. We have to accept capitalism and its destructive wake. It’s the best way forward for humanity. Pay no attention what-so-ever to the capitalists blowing up school girls to bloody bits raining in streets in Iran to manipulate the oil market—they’re failing so it’s okay as long as little girls die for capitalism. Stop! Fighting! Capitalism! leftists! IT’S GOOD FOR YOU!
Yeah, I’m gonna hard NOPE right out of that assertion. The republicans are not virgins at a debutante’s ball, they’ve been working directly toward this goal for at least forty years, and the ones that are up there now, including the house speaker and corrupt SCOTUS, are doing everything in their power to keep him there, marching in lockstep as they go.
Where is your broad censure for them, the ones actively planning and carrying out Project 2025, the ones robbing the country blind, the ones doing everything they can right now to ensure we lose our democracy? Because it’s sure as fuck nowhere in your comment.
This is true, and by far not the DNC’s only crime.
But when you give the actual perps a complete, total, 100% pass in favor of attacking the only people still trying to stop them (even though some of them are only vaguely gesturing in that direction, to be sure) you’re batting for the wrong team.
That said, I’ll never vote for a non-progressive over a progressive again as long as I live. If by that time I still have a vote that matters, of course.
The DNC’s role in the rightward push is obviously less straightforward than the RNC’s push, but it’s at least as important. The DNC’s job is to ensure that Republicans retain all of their wins moving right while Democrats make none that move left.
The URL made me skeptical, but that was an excellent read - thanks for sharing.
It was originally posted on someone’s blog a long time ago and has since been reposted elsewhere.
Do you simply not grasp the concept of writing on topic?
My post was about the DNC and the Dem leadership. Why in the wallowing fuck would I spend half of it talking about the Republicans?
If you’re too fucking stupid to grasp the very simple fact that criticizing one group is not by any stretch of the imagination giving a “complete, total, 100% pass” to an entirely separate group, then that’s very much your problem - not mine.
I blame Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton for not letting Bernie battle Trump in 2016. Trump didn’t win that election, Hillary lost it.
Bernie would have shone a light on their corruption, and they can’t have that.
Bernie overwhelmingly lost against Hillary, he was really only popular on the internet with people that don’t vote in the first place, he never stood a fucking chance.
Yes.
Aside from Trump himself, I would go so far as to say that the one single person in the entire world who bears more responsibility for Trump’s presidency than anyone else is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
The voters clearly expressed their preference for Sanders and Sanders easily led both Clinton and Trump in polling, and then the DNC effectively fraudulently nominated Clinton anyway (with their technically valid but obviously corrupt defense being that they weren’t required to accept the voters’ preference).
They set the stage for Trump and the oligarchs to just walk right in, and then tried to blame everybody but themselves when they walked right in.
Nailed it. The Republicans tried to throw the election in 2016, and the DNC was all like “Hold my beer, let me show you how it’s done”.
Yes in 2016 the RNC wanted Jeb. They tried to stop Trump taking over their party.
I recall no indications that the RNC preferred Jeb. In fact, after 4 mediocre years with George HW, and the 8 disastrous years in which the negligence, incompetence, and corruption of the George W Bush Administration was responsible for the avoidable deaths of well over 10,000 American citizens, countless foreign nationals, and the worst economic downfall since the Great Depression, I don’t remember ANYONE looking forward to another Bush administration.
Even though he was the one Bush who wasn’t a self serving dipshit, and probably would have made a decent president (he had done a great job as governor of Florida) his political viability on the National stage was destroyed after his father’s, and especially his brother’s, failures as president. I don’t recall him winning a single primary race, or even finishing in the top 3.
They had plenty of candidates that year, but none of them could get any traction because the media only had eyes for the trainwreck that is Donald Trump, and combined with Russian propaganda and manipulation of social media, he was kept at the forefront at all times. In America, especially back then, just being familiar is good enough to be politically viable, even if it’s for all the wrong reasons.
What happened, the alternate reality they created to seize absolute power was itself seized by the now president that could talk shit better than they could. It was inevitable. He seized control of the party in the process of overthrowing the Republic. He mucked it up too, yet because the Democrats are so weak and worthless he won anyway. Or less charitably because the Democrats are the controlled opposition which is the truth.
I agree with your take, but I had insider knowledge I didn’t disclose. They were trying for Jeb in 2015
Well, maybe they should have spoken up. I know they had issues with running another Bush, but Hillary was carrying similar baggage, and they would have cancelled each other out, for the most part. How could they possibly think Trump would be better?
What Dems can’t seem to understand is that Bernie was NEVER going to get the Democratic Nomination because he’s NOT A DEMOCRAT.
The Presidential Nomination is the biggest award a party can give to a candidate. It essentially puts them at the head of the party. Bernie is a card-carrying Independent. He is NOT a member of the Democratic party. The party (The DNC) wants reward their own members, and give the nomination to a party member who has been supportive of the party over the years, and gathered the support of most of the country.
But Bernie has never been a Democrat, and is often nearly as critical of the Dems as he is of MAGA. He might caucus with the Dems, but he doesn’t raise money for them, his agenda is entirely different, and his successes are not their successes. The DNC feels about him almost the same as they feel about a MAGA candidate, or any candidate from any other party.
How would you feel if a Libertarian hijacked the DNC’s infrastructure and forced the party to support him, just because he got a bunch votes under their banner? He doesn’t like you, he doesn’t hang out with you, he doesn’t help you, he just called himself one of you so he could run, and he has no intention of following any of your policies. He’s just using your party to get what he wants, without regard to what the party wants.
Now, when it comes to the corrupt DNC, ALL of that sounds great to me, but it’s terrifying to the DNC. At the time, it came down to having two candidates - one who has dedicated their life to the party, and who has an excellent resume, including 8 years in the White House already, or a popular outside interloper who is trying to exploit the system for their own personal gain.
Take out the emotion of Bernie getting screwed, and you can understand why the DNC made that decision, even though we hate it. And guess what? They’d make that same decision 10 out of 10 times. They simply won’t give their precious nomination to an outsider.
Edit: Yeah, I get downvoted for this opinion every time I express it, but it’s true, and we all know it.
Bullshit. I do not find this to be an insightful take.
You speak as if the Democrats are acting in good faith and not the controlled opposition of fascists which they are. The leadership is, whether they know it or not and they should know it.
Perhaps YOU don’t, but if someone has never considered this idea, then it IS insightful, even if they don’t like it. But that doesn’t make it wrong, just unsavory. That’s the way MAGA thinks: I don’t like it, therefore it’s wrong.
Not at all. I don’t think either party exists in good faith. In fact, I think the point of political parties is to take “good faith” out of the equation, and make decisions based on cold political calculations, and money, of course. You can’t allow nebulous concepts like good faith, morals, fairness, truth, etc. muddy the waters. Let’s just boil it down to inhuman Math.
I’m a lifelong Independent, since I first registered to vote 50 years ago this year. I declined to declare a party then, and I haven’t since, with the only exception being in 2016, when I switched my registration so I could vote for Bernie in the primary, and then changed my registration right back.
I was one of you people, angry that Bernie never got a fair shot, but then I started thinking about it, and realized that he suffered the biggest problem with a two party system - even though the Independents are a larger share than either the Dems or the MAGAs, they don’t have ANY power in a 2 party system, because the two parties make sure to ice out any third party, as they should. Nominating a non-party member is a huge betrayal to party members who would have liked to have that nomination. Besides, the president is essentially the leader of the party. A party can’t have a leader that isn’t a member of their party, and has an agenda that is at odds with the party’s agenda. Otherwise, why have parties at all?
Frankly, that’s what happened to the Republicans. They allowed a really bad candidate to hijack their party, simply because he had popularity, and they were so desperate and pusillanimous, they made a deal with the Devil. I’m not saying that Bernie would have been as bad as Trump, but it shows how allowing an outsider to lead your party, can end in disaster. The Republicans let in the disease, while the Dems vaxxed themselves against the threat, and Bernie got caught in it.
Running as an Independent is a complex and dangerous calculation, and looking back, I wish he had. In a 3 way race between Bernie, Hillary, and Trump, Bernie might actually have won it, especially since a significant chunk of Trump’s support were originally Bernie supporters who refused to vote for Hillary after the DNC edged him out. If he had gone Independent, he might have beaten Trump. That’s on Bernie.
The president wasn’t given the Republican party, he took it from the party.
You are a spousing a defeatism that is just not accurate. We can seize control of the Democratic Party, we came close to doing so without any real leadership, they’re weak they’re unpopular and they’re doomed to fail.
It’s not “Defeatism,” it’s the simple truth. The DNC was NEVER going to give an Independent candidate their nomination, and they never will. That is the NATURE of a political party. If any outsider can come along and claim a party’s nomination, what’s the point of a party?
What if a Republican decides that his primary is too crowded, so he declares as a Democrat, but still runs as a Republican, and Republicans vote for him in huge numbers? Is the DNC obligated to give that disengenuous candidate their nomination? If they can be forced to give it to a good candidate like Bernie, then they can be forced to give it to a terrible one like a MAGA.
The truth may hurt, but that doesn’t make it wrong.
Parties have rules, and votes decide leadership. They barely held on to it the preceding two elections before the last one where they just anointed the most unpopular candidate they could find.
BOTH parties do that! The system seems to filter out the best candidates, and reward the worst. If there was ever proof that the system is broken, it’s that.
Man…
The craziest part is the ~400 some people that get to vote when a Dem doesn’t win agreed with you a year ago when they voted for someone that wasn’t a neoliberal.
Like, if it was 15 months ago, you’d be 100% correct.
The main problem, is you think “the DNC” is a monolith, and not just the chair getting a four year term to do anything they want.
Obama ignored the DNC because they worked with Hillary in the primary and went bankrupt.
So neoliberals kept going into 2016, rigged it against Bernie, and when Hillary lost and all the money had been siphoned off to the first Victory Fund, they had no choice to pick a neoliberal in 2017 to have access to the VF or the party would have died. Maybe it should have a decade ago, but it didn’t.
That chair rigged it for Biden, and Biden put another neoliberal in charge of the DNC, and in return Kamala got the VF and the nomination with no primary.
Which takes us to 2025, and the ~400 voting members got a chance again.
And they picked the guy who ran Minnesota for a decade and has an incredibly strong track record anyone can easily look up.
We fucking won…
We got the party back.
The literal.only way we can lose it is if people check out of the Dem presidential and a neoliberal like Newsome gets the nomination and wins the general, that hands the keys of the party back and neoliberals will never let them go again.
No matter what happens, in the next Dem presidential primary vote for whoever is furtherest left, if nothing else to spite what you think the DNC still is.
Anything else and you might fuck us all
Edit:
I didn’t mention what happened with the Victory Fund, after Kamala the DNC got the keys to it.
For the last year we’ve had the largest reinvesture of funds from the DNC to state parties…
All that money back to states that need it to win these races, instead of sitting in a bank account until it’s time to throw another meaningless dinner with George Clooney.
We don’t want a large powerful national organization… Like, we want bottom-up power structure and that’s what we’re going back to…
The stuff people want to happen is happening, it’s been happening.
They just still suck at messaging, partly because they don’t think the party should be driving the bus.
I don’t know, I’ve heard that, that this is a new DNC, but I’m still waiting for more proof. I just remember David Hogg getting into the DNC last year, and declaring that he was going to overhaul it, and they kicked him right out.
Is this “new” DNC before or after they proved where they stand about a supporting a REAL gun control advocate?
If you have faith in DNC chair Ken Martin then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
He’s the guy who promised to realease the autopsy of the 2024 election, and is now refusing to release it. You really think he’s going to reform the DNC?
When?
Seriously, when did he ever say he’d be the first DNC chair to publicly release that standard internal document?
We don’t even need to get into why publicly releasing war plans is bad strategy…
Or even why billionaire owned media wants him to release it…
All you gotta do is vote in the primary…
Logically, if you think you might be right, you should also be pushing people to vote in the Dem primary to stop it…
What is the benefit to telling progressives not to vote in the primary?
It comes with zero strings or obligations in the general…
But if you can’t predict what I’ll be saying if a neoliberal somehow grabs the nom, you might want to read again:
Literally anything is better than repeating Biden in 2020, because then they get the DNC back.
I guarantee I won’t be telling people to vote for a neoliberal in 2028, because I plan more than a single election ahead
Sure, I’ll Google that for you
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/dnc-autopsy-report-ken-martin
Buddy…
“DNC members” means the ~400 voting members…
Not the public…
https://x.com/HunterMw/status/2001732081374941209
I can’t quote it because it’s a screenshot, but bro…
You read that and thought it meant to the public?
Edit:
To clarify, that tweet is what your article uses as a source, and the article and person who posted that’s creenshot seem to be willfully misrepresenting it…
Journalists should know better, regular Americans, it’s understandable not everyone digs deep these days, doesn’t mean we can’t do better or that we don’t need to do better tho
Now we’re fighting about sources? This is tiresome.
How do you explain Ken Martin’s recent interview with Pod Save America?
The host asks
Ken Martin does not push back against this quotation. He responds by saying he’s “focusing on the lessons that can actually help us win”. He goes on to say it’s “not completely accurate to say we didn’t release [the autopsy] because we are focused on the lessons that can actually help us win”.
Youtube - Jon Favreau interviews DNC Chair Ken Martin in a heated exchange over Democratic strategy.
No…
I’m literally still trying to explain to you what the DNC is…
And who “DNC members are”.
Like, are you saying the DNC members picked Martin…
And that Martin lied to them, and is now breaking his promise to him…
Which means if the DNC is still shit like you think, that’s a good thing? Like, logically you’re points aren’t adding up, except you’re really motivated to turn people against the party without even trying to answer:
So I’ll ask again:
Why don’t you want progressivesnto vote in the Dem primary?
Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy, and you’re suggesting that he meant release it only to the DNC and not to the public? Buddy, you’re really reaching here. Did you watch the Pod Save interview that I linked? It makes your position look quite foolish and ahistorical.
As for progressives voting in primaries, I want the maximum amount of them to vote. Lying to them about the virtues of the DNC chair is not a good strategy to get them to vote, honesty works better.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/18/dnc-kills-its-own-public-2024-autopsy-00697403
Yeah, but if you were here 6 months ago, Lemmy had pitchforks out for this guy.
Voters have made it very clear they do not want leftists. Leftist win the fewest elections out of all ideologies across the whole spectrum.
Blaming the DNC for the actions of voters is ignorant.
Leftist have the fewest voters and candidates out of all the ideologies across the spectrum due to their own lack of popularity.
Bernie won the primaries against Hillary if the DNC hadn’t ignored the will of the people with superdelegates. And he had a 10% greater lead against Trump than she did. So that’s clearly untrue. All polls indicated that he would have easily won against Trump.
I posted a lot about this on my blog back then if you are interested. Scroll down a bit . Many of the links no longer work but you will get the idea.
What about the polls that said Hilary was going to win? They were wrong so couldn’t your polls be wrong also?
Seems like you’re giving those polls merit based on who you want to win.
Republicans were praying that Bernie would win the primary in 2016 because they knew he would be easier to beat.
I personally know 2 conservatives that switched to democrat to vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because they were so confident he would lose but they weren’t sure they could beat Hilary. They laughed at the idea of Bernie winning.
The polls weren’t really saying that on any regular basis. A few said she’d squeak by, some said she’d lose, but she never really had a 10 point lead like Bernie.
The rest of your statements and link are anecdotal nonsense hit pieces of the type that was very commonly posted in the corporate media back then to dissuade the easily fooled into not taking Sanders seriously.
The exact same is true for Bernie. That’s the fact that I am pointing out while reminding you of your bias.
Your argument is ‘the polls are wrong when they say what I don’t want to hear but they are accurate when they say what I want to hear’
Look at the link I sent. Pretty much all the polls showed him 5-12% ahead of Trump. None showed Hillary ahead by that much. The DNC made an own goal and it was obvious that it would play out that way.
Your sources are your own blog. Hopefully I don’t need to explain why that isn’t a credible source. Especially when they start off with this red flag: “First off, Jill Stein and the Green Party were not a spoiler in this election”
If the polls are inaccurate then it doesn’t matter what the polls say…
Come on, those are all links to other sources. Now you’re just being disengenuous.
The DNC has failed the voter base. People got excited when Obama first ran. No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
They both did better than leftist. Which is expected because centrist are the largest voting demographic.
Leftists could do this also but I’ve seen more liberals doing it this election season than leftists. Which is expected because leftist have so few voters.
I think the people here have a massively skewed idea as to how many leftist voters are in the US. Bernie literally lost the primary, and they still act like Kamala would have won if she had pandered more to the left.
You’re right and if no one steps in and tries to bring them back to reality they will try to run a campaign without the support of the voters and America with slide further right as a result of their delusional thinking.
Happy cake day! Do we say that on Lemmy?
I agree. I doubt that leftist candidates would be popular in the context of what I said. I see it realistically as short of revolution, the dems are not going anywhere. If they actually listened to America, they might hear our voices too. This would help get our proverbial foot in the door, where we could actually push the party from center-right to at least left adjacent. I’d also support us simply experiencing a paradigm shift spontaneously, but I get the feeling that won’t happen…yet.