Jon Stewart torched the DNC and Democratic leadership as "lost" after learning from a candidate with a massive lead that he's heard zilch from the party.
Bernie won the primaries against Hillary if the DNC hadn’t ignored the will of the people with superdelegates. And he had a 10% greater lead against Trump than she did. So that’s clearly untrue. All polls indicated that he would have easily won against Trump.
I personally know 2 conservatives that switched to democrat to vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because they were so confident he would lose but they weren’t sure they could beat Hilary. They laughed at the idea of Bernie winning.
The polls weren’t really saying that on any regular basis. A few said she’d squeak by, some said she’d lose, but she never really had a 10 point lead like Bernie.
The rest of your statements and link are anecdotal nonsense hit pieces of the type that was very commonly posted in the corporate media back then to dissuade the easily fooled into not taking Sanders seriously.
Look at the link I sent. Pretty much all the polls showed him 5-12% ahead of Trump. None showed Hillary ahead by that much. The DNC made an own goal and it was obvious that it would play out that way.
Your sources are your own blog. Hopefully I don’t need to explain why that isn’t a credible source. Especially when they start off with this red flag: “First off, Jill Stein and the Green Party were not a spoiler in this election”
If the polls are inaccurate then it doesn’t matter what the polls say…
The DNC has failed the voter base. People got excited when Obama first ran. No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They both did better than leftist. Which is expected because centrist are the largest voting demographic.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
Leftists could do this also but I’ve seen more liberals doing it this election season than leftists. Which is expected because leftist have so few voters.
I think the people here have a massively skewed idea as to how many leftist voters are in the US. Bernie literally lost the primary, and they still act like Kamala would have won if she had pandered more to the left.
You’re right and if no one steps in and tries to bring them back to reality they will try to run a campaign without the support of the voters and America with slide further right as a result of their delusional thinking.
I agree. I doubt that leftist candidates would be popular in the context of what I said. I see it realistically as short of revolution, the dems are not going anywhere. If they actually listened to America, they might hear our voices too. This would help get our proverbial foot in the door, where we could actually push the party from center-right to at least left adjacent. I’d also support us simply experiencing a paradigm shift spontaneously, but I get the feeling that won’t happen…yet.
Voters have made it very clear they do not want leftists. Leftist win the fewest elections out of all ideologies across the whole spectrum.
Blaming the DNC for the actions of voters is ignorant.
Leftist have the fewest voters and candidates out of all the ideologies across the spectrum due to their own lack of popularity.
Bernie won the primaries against Hillary if the DNC hadn’t ignored the will of the people with superdelegates. And he had a 10% greater lead against Trump than she did. So that’s clearly untrue. All polls indicated that he would have easily won against Trump.
I posted a lot about this on my blog back then if you are interested. Scroll down a bit . Many of the links no longer work but you will get the idea.
What about the polls that said Hilary was going to win? They were wrong so couldn’t your polls be wrong also?
Seems like you’re giving those polls merit based on who you want to win.
Republicans were praying that Bernie would win the primary in 2016 because they knew he would be easier to beat.
I personally know 2 conservatives that switched to democrat to vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because they were so confident he would lose but they weren’t sure they could beat Hilary. They laughed at the idea of Bernie winning.
The polls weren’t really saying that on any regular basis. A few said she’d squeak by, some said she’d lose, but she never really had a 10 point lead like Bernie.
The rest of your statements and link are anecdotal nonsense hit pieces of the type that was very commonly posted in the corporate media back then to dissuade the easily fooled into not taking Sanders seriously.
The exact same is true for Bernie. That’s the fact that I am pointing out while reminding you of your bias.
Your argument is ‘the polls are wrong when they say what I don’t want to hear but they are accurate when they say what I want to hear’
Look at the link I sent. Pretty much all the polls showed him 5-12% ahead of Trump. None showed Hillary ahead by that much. The DNC made an own goal and it was obvious that it would play out that way.
Your sources are your own blog. Hopefully I don’t need to explain why that isn’t a credible source. Especially when they start off with this red flag: “First off, Jill Stein and the Green Party were not a spoiler in this election”
If the polls are inaccurate then it doesn’t matter what the polls say…
Come on, those are all links to other sources. Now you’re just being disengenuous.
Don’t try moving the goalpost. Especially to promote your blog…
The fact of the matter is if the polls are wrong for Hillary then they are wrong for Bernie.
Wrong doesn’t mean that averaging them out gives you an indicator of what the real election results would be.
It means that the polls are wrong and will skew one way or another depending on the group polled.
The DNC has failed the voter base. People got excited when Obama first ran. No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ??? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
They both did better than leftist. Which is expected because centrist are the largest voting demographic.
Leftists could do this also but I’ve seen more liberals doing it this election season than leftists. Which is expected because leftist have so few voters.
I think the people here have a massively skewed idea as to how many leftist voters are in the US. Bernie literally lost the primary, and they still act like Kamala would have won if she had pandered more to the left.
You’re right and if no one steps in and tries to bring them back to reality they will try to run a campaign without the support of the voters and America with slide further right as a result of their delusional thinking.
Happy cake day! Do we say that on Lemmy?
I agree. I doubt that leftist candidates would be popular in the context of what I said. I see it realistically as short of revolution, the dems are not going anywhere. If they actually listened to America, they might hear our voices too. This would help get our proverbial foot in the door, where we could actually push the party from center-right to at least left adjacent. I’d also support us simply experiencing a paradigm shift spontaneously, but I get the feeling that won’t happen…yet.