• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Now we’re fighting about sources?

    No…

    I’m literally still trying to explain to you what the DNC is…

    And who “DNC members are”.

    Like, are you saying the DNC members picked Martin…

    And that Martin lied to them, and is now breaking his promise to him…

    Which means if the DNC is still shit like you think, that’s a good thing? Like, logically you’re points aren’t adding up, except you’re really motivated to turn people against the party without even trying to answer:

    Why don’t you want progressives to vote in the Dem primary?

    So I’ll ask again:

    Why don’t you want progressivesnto vote in the Dem primary?

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      12 hours ago

      Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy, and you’re suggesting that he meant release it only to the DNC and not to the public? Buddy, you’re really reaching here. Did you watch the Pod Save interview that I linked? It makes your position look quite foolish and ahistorical.

      As for progressives voting in primaries, I want the maximum amount of them to vote. Lying to them about the virtues of the DNC chair is not a good strategy to get them to vote, honesty works better.

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        12 hours ago

        Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy

        The standard after election report, yes, he said he would release that to dnc members

        Do you understand that “dnc members” is less than a thousand people and I cludes everyone that put him in the chair position but definitely not either of us…

        Like, can you at least acknowledge that what you’ve linked was Martin saying he’d release to DNC members?

        You keep sliding by that and I legitimately can’t tell if you understand that yet.

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          12 hours ago

          I’m not sure why you’re hung up on this. Yes he said he would release it to DNC members. And now he is not releasing it.

          Releasing it to the DNC is functionally equivalent to releasing it to the public, on its release there is media speculation and leaks. That is why they aren’t even giving it out to the DNC imo.

          Now that I’ve bit and responded to your aside, will you dare to tackle any of my questions you’ve avoided? What is your take on Ken Martin’s performance on Pod Save? Do you think his performance will increase or decrease progressive voter turnout in the primaries?

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            11 hours ago

            Ok, making some progress…

            https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/18/dnc-kills-its-own-public-2024-autopsy-00697403

            So, a committee reviewed the report…

            They briefed the members on it, a summary was provided to them, and the plan to move forward…

            You though, you think that even though the summary and plan was put out to members, that doesn’t mean anything unless the full report (which again, the DNC made and would be releasing only to the DNC)?

            Like…

            Instill don’t see any logic.

            They made the report…

            If they’re hiding something, why wouldn’t they just not put it in the report, so they could release it?

            If the goal was what you’re saying the goal was, it would be incredibly easy to handwaved away if the current DNC had zero ethics.

            They could release anything, say that was the report and move on.

            I’m sorry man, I’ve given you longer than most. I truly hope you’re just legitimately having trouble understanding and someone else will help you

            But after so long, I gotta throw in the towel, to many people just want to eat up time.

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              11 hours ago

              You’re right, I am legitimately having trouble understanding your position.

              It seems like you’ve given up on defending Ken Martin though, so that is progress. Hopefully we can both now agree he is bad for progressivism and the left.