• pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    23 分钟前

    To all the people reading through this comment section believing that China and the DPRK are obviously lying about their suicide rates consider that you might be believing this with very little evidence. Unless you can show otherwise there is no actual reasonable evidence that proves in any way that they are indeed lying about this information.

    Instead of following your gut actually take a step back and consider all the evidence you have that proves these countries are lying about there own statistics. The truth isn’t always easy to find, conspiracy theorists believe insane theories such as covid is fake because they mindlessly follow what they have been told without good evidence. I’m not telling you to become a communist I’m just telling you to always consider that everything you have been told your whole life could be wrong. Maybe the flat earthers were right all along.

  • culprit@lemmy.ml
    32·
    20 小时前

    The evil communists are repressing the hardworking suicide booth owners from making a killing profit and an honest living.

  • Ostrakon@lemmy.world
    1118·
    12 小时前

    I am sure these figures are accurate and can be trusted. There’s no way the Chinese or North Korean government would ever lie about these figures.

      • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        21 分钟前

        “In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intran- sigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regimes atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering sup- port among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”

        • Micheal Perenti Blackshirts and Reds

        Such a good quote

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
      162·
      10 小时前

      Part of the ideology of white-supremacy, is that proximity to whiteness means trustworthiness and authenticity, and distance from it means untrustworthiness.

      So white supremacists think only the western countries (and their allies like South Korea, Japan, and other US military base countries) data and educational institutions can be trusted, while the numbers coming from any country opposed to them must inherently be a lie.

    • ZeroHora@lemmy.mlEnglish
      15·
      11 小时前

      And Taiwan or South Korea never lied too and their real numbers are definitely lower than this shit.

      • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
        6·
        12 小时前

        The framing and double-standard is chauvinist and bad.

        But there are reasons to be skeptical of suicide stats worldwide due to cultural ideas and norms around suicide. Like, look at the US. It was common practice for coroners to put accident as cause of death even if it was clearly suicide - and still is, to some degree. Only recently have statisticians began including certain other cases of “accidental” death as suicide (some single car crashes, gun “accidents”, ODs, etc).

        And different countries have different methods for reporting out on suicide. It’s not founded to say countries are intentionally skewing suicide stats, but it would be constructive to be skeptical about how those figures were arrived at before believing memes without citations.

        • 秦始皇帝@lemmy.ml
          151·
          12 小时前

          I would have no issue with them saying suicide stats are often inaccurate due to x, y, or z reason.

          What they instead chose to say was the typical chauvinist bullshit of the evil Asiatic hoardes in China and the DPRK can’t be trusted to report anything truthfully nonsense.

    • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
      91·
      8 小时前

      Posting literally any data that makes the empire and it’s vassals look bad and watching shitlibs work their way through every line of the Narcissist’s Prayer

    • ghost_laptop@lemmy.mlM
      13·
      10 小时前

      yeah, south korea tends to do that, but at least we have an idea of how bad things are in the regime

    • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
      4·
      1 小时前

      Lmao incredible

      Data: Hey, it looks like people in this capitalist country kill themselves way, way more than the people in this socialist country right next door

      Real Democracy Loving Patriots™: That’s because those poor bastards in Communist Badcountry don’t have the FREEDOM to kill themselves😤

    • ghost_laptop@lemmy.mlM
      9·
      10 小时前

      why is this important at all? who fucking cares that suicide is legal or not when trying to kill yourself? you’re gonna die bro, what you plan on committing suicide but you’re afraid of some legal bullshit?

      what country are you from? is suicide legal? is that your first thought when you’re depressed? are you some sort of euthanasia propagandist? i dont eve get where your going with this

    • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
      5·
      13 小时前

      Not to side with the propaganda guy, but it’s illegal to commit suicide in the US. Not sure about other countries but I’m sure it’s common.

      • ZeroHora@lemmy.mlEnglish
        9·
        11 小时前

        There’s like 9 countries that euthanasia is legal and none is on the map.