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    Indonesia and Guatemala beg to differ. This is not the first genocide the west has supported.

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    where are those videos of Israel governments saying that iran is targeting civilians and the world must join together to fight terrorism?

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      israelis are definitely not a people that are going to get better over time. Watch any interview with israelis talking about committing war crimes. They are always smiling. They absolutely love killing, and they dont care at all who it was. The only thing that will work is flattening them. Its their inevitable future and nothing can stop that now.

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      There’s a lot of innocent people in Israel that are fighting against the current regime, just like in your country. Don’t damn them just because you’re angry.

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        most Israelis (81%) say the military has a very or somewhat good influence on the way things are going in Israel https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/20/how-israelis-view-their-government-institutions-and-leaders/

        73% of Israeli Jews think that suffering of the Iranian civilian population is not important in Iran War https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59726

        Support for Netanyahu’s party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.

        There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.

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          …are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.

          Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn’t an option. Sorry. Try again.

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            are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide?

            Israel not existing is not a genocide against Jews.

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            No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The “innocent” people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn’t theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.

            I’m not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.

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              There are several generations of Israelis born Israelis. They don’t have anywhere they are from to return to.

              I agree there is no realistic solution without genocide in sight, but that is not an excuse to support more genocide.

              The isrealis need to be condemned and isolated from international support. After we accomplish that, we can re evaluate. They might not be so bloodthirsty if the US and other countries weren’t so ride or die for the IDF.

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                Israelis can easily travel to Europe and the US. For example, in Germany, they can get citizenship if they can prove German descent. In other places they have advantaged programs for immigration compared to other non West countries. Choosing to stay is embracing Zionism. That’s the only peaceful solution, which obviously isn’t going to happen when 70-80% support the status quo and further expansionism.

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                  The majority of the Jewish population of Isreal are decended from the Soviet Union and the Middle East. When Isreal was founded 10s of thousands of Jews lived in North Africa and other middle eastern countries. Nearly all of them moved to Israel, and those countries will not welcome their children and grandchildren back.

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                Also important to note that Palestine was a very diverse place before the occupation began.

                The problem isn’t specific people or a specific religion or specific genetics, it’s a diseased culture.

                Though at this point, it needs to be up to Palestinians who gets to stay and who doesn’t.

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                  I admit that if there is no completely just outcome, I would side with the oppressed.

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            I think what they want to say is that the solution for a colonial apartheid state is to send the colonizers home where they came from.

            Is that a genocide in your opinion?

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        Its obviously hyperbole. Completely carpet bombing the population isnt a step I would want to take. But if Israel disappeared overnight, I surely wouldnt miss it.

        Also, lets not downplay the killing of thousands and thousands of innocents by Israel.

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          The state, as an American ally, conducting genocide in the region needs to “dissapear.” The people, cannot dissapear.

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          Killing more innocents doesn’t solve the problem, AND is the same as your chief complaint.

          Don’t do that.

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            Again, stop downplaying the murder of countless innocent lives.

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              I’m saying “Don’t kill more people”

              this is why reading comprehension is important folks 🤣

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                Nobody disagrees with protecting innocent lives, well except Israel and the US. What you are doing is deflecting from the genocide and protecting the attackers. Otherwise you wouldnt reiterate on a point already covered.

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                  Hi I’m sorry but that’s not correct

                  Nobody disagrees with protecting innocent lives

                  ^ this is wrong because you are arguing against me when I said no more innocents should be killed.

                  Not only are you wrong, but the reverse of what you’re saying is true. That means you’re either a liar or stupid. Pick one or we’ll pick for you.

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                  So to not downplay an atrocity the stance is to kill every last one of them, women and children all?

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        doesnt seem like alot, if a majority is openly supporting it, plus they have international jewish people and thier backers supporting the zionist regime. the time to get rid of benny was him getting sent to jailed and not get elected. more or less we hear very little from opposition of bibi since the oct 7 attack.

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        its a ridiculously tiny minority. And leaving Israel in that region means letting them continue their war crimes, and you know that. There is really no way around it. The only ethical solution is to eject them from the region entirely. The 8 year bloodbath needs to end.

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          We can’t be opposed to the Gazan genocide and at the same time use genocidal language like “ejecting them from the region.” Them being Jewish people. Yes Israel should be sanctioned, and militarily invaded. Benjamin Netenyahu should be assassinated, and the country needs to be rid of the Zionist ideology. But there is simply no way to mass migrate a large population without great pain and suffering.

          Plus, if the Israeli people, the citizens not the elitist leaders and soldiers, were moved from their country, where would they go? To cause more violence in the regions they move to? The Israeli people have been subject to large scale mass international propaganda, they need to be deradicilized, not treated like parasites.

          I agree with having a firm, radical opposition to genocide, but individually, morally it is not good to use words like “flatten” or “eject.” I understand the anger, I think we all feel it.

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            We can’t be opposed to the Gazan genocide and at the same time use genocidal language like “ejecting them from the region.” Them being Jewish people.

            yes, we can

            That you don’t says so much about you and your values, it is also a reflection of the live you’ve led. Israel has no right to exist and by the wills of the Palestinians it would be extinguished, I’m so sick of western liberals and armchair arbitrators trying to support their government funded colonial project.

            If you still feel that Jews deserve their own space/country, carve out a giant hole on a map between Germany and Poland and move them back there, that’s where they came from and belong. Let’s see how long Europeans do a Holocaust 2.0

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            Leaving them in the region obviously leads to an even worse outcome. They murder every day and dont consider others to be humans with any rights at all.

            And I flatly disagree that ejecting them is genocide. Equating the two is flatly untrue. If you need to define that as true then it must be true that the zionists genocided 750,000 people in the nakba, along with however many they just genocided in gaza, the west bank, syria, and Lebanon.

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    Edit: Since people have a problem with this comment, the image is a still frame from a video of the bombimg. Awful.

    There are links in the replies, which were not present when I made this comment (it was the first comment on this post).

    Original comment

    What’s going on is atrocious, but do we have any evidence whatsoever this isn’t just five minutes in photoshop? It’s not hard to put a bomb silhouette in the sky and blur it a bit.

    The timing of this image, the fact that the photographer got the image out, and as far as I’m aware there’s not a follow up with the aftermath just tweaks my bullshit sense is all.

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          Gaza has the highest decapitated limps per capita in the world thanks to the only denocracy in the middleeast and the most moral army of the world. All done with US weapons and money

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          People dont rush to the scene to help anymore either, because evil vermin Israelis like to double-tap strike to kill first responders.

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      yes, smart thinking, maybe the entirely of the zionist holocaust of Palestinians and all their various and sundry war crimes were simply photoshop. Where is Hind Rijab, do we even have any record besides photos of her ever existing? Where are all the bodies of palestinians? Maybe they just left town, right? Asking the tough questions here, good for you buddy. /s

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        Oh no, you’ve uncovered my evil zionist plan: softly questioning one singular photo with incredible timing and an easily photoshoppable focus! The Mossad propaganda department is in shambles!

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        There is intrinsic value in the truth, I think.

        If OP posts a photoshopped picture, that tells us something about OP. If the picture is real, that tells us something about an event of this war.

        When we know the truth, we can better decide who to listen to. When we can better decide who to listen to, we have more opportunity to sway the opinions of those around us towards the truth.

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          what does it matter to the people suffering in Gaza this “opportunity to sway the opinions of those around us towards the truth”. Can our swayed opinions change anything for them?

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              Why would I listen to you then, someone fine with lying. Your words are worthless.

              i’m not “fine with lying”'.

              Trump is the ultimate liar. Are his words worthless? His lies matter more than our thousand truths.

              World has changed and the truth doesn’t matter anymore.

              But my original comment was about the frailty of being just a witness to a genocide faraway and asking if the image is real or not. Honestly, what difference does it make after all we’ve seen? What have we done after seeing other images that were authenticated?