Ah yes, the old “if you respond to Israeli racism, then you are the racist” gambit.
How about we just say that every human must be given whats in the UN declaration of universal human rights. You know, the document the Israels are one of the only countries in the would to vote against. You onboard with that?
yes, the israeli government is racist and israel is conducting a genocide. saying all israelis absolutely love killing and must be immediately flattened is also objectively racist
the standard for what happens to a population is never “all”. Its not reasonable to interview every member of a group. You have to trust polling. Are you claiming most israelis are good people who dont support the actions of their government? because all the data at hand says thats just not the case.
ok I’ll say the overwhelming, vast majority of israelis, sure.
90% of Israelis want war with Iran. 21% of Americans support war with Iran.
82% of israelis support the complete ethnic cleansing of all palestinians from their homes and any area Israel controls, regardless of whether they are innocent, based on their ethnicity (racism, see that? Are you spending any time opposing that? I dont see any time spent opposing that in your comments, which is odd)
68% of Israelis oppose giving human rights to all as outlined in the universal declaration of human rights. Not one of your concerns-- you are much more interested in not insulting the Israelis that arent in that 68% than the problem of the 68%'s actions. You pretend this is all happening as a rhetorical point rather than realities of 80-years of ongoing actions.
I do see a pattern of your comments Joan, of only having any criticism for people on what you claim is your side getting the message wrong. You dont want people to exactly say Donald Trump is a nazi, even though you object to his actions, you say.
Similarly, If its not 100% of Israelis, you dont want blanket usage of “Israeli”. You are very concerned with letting people off the hook if they claim not to be in support of evil actions. You zero in on vagueries of the minor details and what ifs while ignoring the actual facts that should be orders of magnitude more important.
But sure. to humor you I will say the vast vast vast majority (clarification for u/joan). And you can consider your job done and that you addressed the key problems of our age. Keep on fighting, soldier.
i don’t really disagree with you… overall, yes, anyone who supports genocide from their government sucks! but giving ourselves a reason to be prejudiced against a group of people is how we make another genocide, not fix the ones that are happening. i don’t think being careful about racism is a ‘vaguery’ or a ‘minor detail’. thanks for the conversation! ✌️
Ah yes, the old “if you respond to Israeli racism, then you are the racist” gambit.
How about we just say that every human must be given whats in the UN declaration of universal human rights. You know, the document the Israels are one of the only countries in the would to vote against. You onboard with that?
yes, the israeli government is racist and israel is conducting a genocide. saying all israelis absolutely love killing and must be immediately flattened is also objectively racist
the standard for what happens to a population is never “all”. Its not reasonable to interview every member of a group. You have to trust polling. Are you claiming most israelis are good people who dont support the actions of their government? because all the data at hand says thats just not the case.
well, if you mean most israelis, then say most israelis. assigning an opinion to an entire ethnic group is racist regardless of the opinion
ok I’ll say the overwhelming, vast majority of israelis, sure. 90% of Israelis want war with Iran. 21% of Americans support war with Iran.
82% of israelis support the complete ethnic cleansing of all palestinians from their homes and any area Israel controls, regardless of whether they are innocent, based on their ethnicity (racism, see that? Are you spending any time opposing that? I dont see any time spent opposing that in your comments, which is odd)
68% of Israelis oppose giving human rights to all as outlined in the universal declaration of human rights. Not one of your concerns-- you are much more interested in not insulting the Israelis that arent in that 68% than the problem of the 68%'s actions. You pretend this is all happening as a rhetorical point rather than realities of 80-years of ongoing actions.
I do see a pattern of your comments Joan, of only having any criticism for people on what you claim is your side getting the message wrong. You dont want people to exactly say Donald Trump is a nazi, even though you object to his actions, you say. Similarly, If its not 100% of Israelis, you dont want blanket usage of “Israeli”. You are very concerned with letting people off the hook if they claim not to be in support of evil actions. You zero in on vagueries of the minor details and what ifs while ignoring the actual facts that should be orders of magnitude more important.
But sure. to humor you I will say the vast vast vast majority (clarification for u/joan). And you can consider your job done and that you addressed the key problems of our age. Keep on fighting, soldier.
i don’t really disagree with you… overall, yes, anyone who supports genocide from their government sucks! but giving ourselves a reason to be prejudiced against a group of people is how we make another genocide, not fix the ones that are happening. i don’t think being careful about racism is a ‘vaguery’ or a ‘minor detail’. thanks for the conversation! ✌️