and for Israel
I wish all deceased United States and Israeli combatants in the invasion of Iran a very RIP bozo.
Americans are very much not for the invasion, and outright protesting it.
We’re not talking about americans in general, we’re talking about people who knowingly signed up to murder children for oil.
That’s different, napalm for them.
Show me American soldiers protesting the invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVInoV0l6JU
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ubP6yyf3A0o
https://youtu.be/yssr3H4OYmc?t=1726
Just the stuff you can find, that has certain implications. Good luck getting anything thanks to this propaganda war.
There was also some warships toilets getting sabotaged and clogged iirc.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/07/us-veterans-iran-war-reaction
They’re effectively slaves to the state in many ways meaning if they did theyre is a good chance of going to prison. Which if they have a family is a big ask for a lot of them, especially since the bulk of the military is made up of non-combat roles.
“I will rather bomb a school full of girls, than refuse orders”
Very morally correct stance /s
Your thinking is a big part of what’s wrong with Americunts.
“Show me something I won’t even look at anyway, smart guy.”
Same with the military, who literally told Donald not to do this.
She clearly was, otherwise she wouldn’t be wearing the uniform. Imagine dying for pedophiles smh.
People always act like being in the military just absolves them of all their personal moral obligations. It is the morally correct thing to refuse these orders even if it means going to prison. Yes believe it or not, you going to prison is better than you killing innocent people.
No guarantee she would actually have went with the attack on Iran. Did you see the soldier ruining USA’s opsec by filming lazily his own radar system being blown up?
It doesnt matter how you are involved with the war, if you help run a base, operate a drone or whatever else. You are still assisting war crimes.
You can’t view everything so black and white. These are normal people who signed up to do something they thought was right, only to be pushed into an unexpected war, their lives and livelihoods, their honor, their people at stake. But when push comes to shove, many of them just won’t co-operate in the war, and those people aren’t typically televised.
Many of us willingly or unwillingly participate in questionable systems, burning fossil fuels as a side-effect. This does not mean we want to, self-preservation is a thing. But for example: even though I depend on many of the goods going through the suez cannal, I root for it’s closure, for the destruction of fossil fuels. I have a portable solar panel, and I want to transition to 100% energy independence and my own grown food.
Look at the army for freedom of Russia that is fighting it’s own country. Quite a few defectors helping Ukraine.
You only make things worse by rejecting these people as scum, by not leaving any room for their humanity. You kill who you must to protect yourself, you try to get them to defect to your side, and you can’t do that by damning them right away.
These people were just like you, believing they would rise up against their tyrannical government, and lay down their lives for the greater good, but it is not so simple or easy.
But when push comes to shove, many of them just won’t co-operate in the war
Uh, source? Or even convincing anecdotal evidence?
Fucking clean wehrmacht myth but for yank troops lol
Severe amounts of moronic in this post if you’re being genuine.
Maybe people being killed is bad no matter who they are and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and all that
No, some people dying is definitely worse, moron :)
I’d rather woodchipper the Epstein people, or worse.
Fuck around and find out and what not.
Operation Epic Fail
A bit immature, but seeing the video compilation they made recently, the governement functions at the same mental level of a 12yo on a monster energy binge, so it might be the correct way to address them.
Nope but she did chose to live and die to enforce imperialism so hard to feel bad for her.
The westboro Baptist Church used to praise the death of soldiers for their misbegotten ideology.
Don’t be like Rev. Fred Phelps.
Or you know less people who volunteer to cause mass suffering to the world for a mixture of personal benefits and imperialism is a good thing.
westboro
Deliberately instigated violent opposition so they could press and collect on civil lawsuits.
Many members of the group are trained lawyers, including founder Fred Phelps, and they have historically filed hundreds of lawsuits—mostly over picket rights and alleged civil rights violations—aiming to secure settlements or court-awarded legal fees.
They were quite literally professional trolls. Baiting people into attacking them by criticizing dead soldiers had nothing to do with ideology. It was purely part of their grift.
I mean, it’s double edged.
You’ve got folks in desperate poverty for whom enlistment is designed as a release valve.
But then you’re being paid to crush people more desperate than you.
So do you want to be the half of lumpen labor paid to do the killing or the half that’s being killed? I don’t like the people doing the killing, but I can’t blame from for not wanting to be on the other side of the barrel. There’s no good choice to be made when you’re in the bottom rung of the social order.
At the end of the day, what we really need is a mid level officer’s revolt. Where is the American Chavez? Where is the American Gaddafi?
No excuses if i rob and kill my elderly neighbor to steal their stuff to help pay rent that explains but no way excuses my actions.
if i rob and kill my elderly neighbor to steal their stuff to help pay rent
It’s rob the neighbor or be the neighbor that gets robbed.
This isn’t a real choice from a material sense. It’s selection bias. You’re mad at a random sampling of people forced into a Sofie’s Choice, rather than the fascists forcing this choice on them.
Gaddafi and Chavez? Both of those governments had a shitload of military people staffing leadership roles that should’ve been civilian gigs. No thanks.
Disobeying authoritarian orders is one thing. Using that as a tool to centralize power and staff civi roles with military brass for decades? Hard pass.
You did a good job sectioning people neatly into two categories, and if those were the only two choices then sure choose to murder brown people.
The reality is far different though, there’s thousands of “groups” and you can’t generalize them like that. The majority of people joining the military have no moral issue with it. The rest that join simply lack the creativity and confidence required to come up with a better solution for their problems.
We should allow people space to learn from their mistakes of course, but that doesn’t excuse their past behavior.
Idk, i don’t really feel bad for terrorists
Its actually such a disaster that the only way to appeal to the average US citizen is to make them worry about their own people. Brown people in the middle east just dont have worth i guess?
And gas prices. Blowing up brown people is a bonus
the average US citizen might probably know about the 11 dead Americans but cant even guess the number of 2200 humans who were shelled and ripped apart by bombs in Lebanon and Iran who are most majority civilians.
So this was not a soldier who defended their homeland. It was 1 vile mass murderer who travelled 5000 miles and comitted a terrorist attack killing 100 people in poor 3rd world countries for money.
I think they were referring to the US soldiers
Most of the time, terrorists exist because the Epstein class bombed their family members.
Edit: Which is not relevant here because I misunderstood that OP was saying that the American military are terrorists.
The epstein class hasnt bombed white folk in america, yet. The OP was calling american military members terrorists.
Oh yeah, you’re right. I misunderstood that one.
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You talking about Israel or?
Israel’s Accomplice
Welp, seems Nicole won’t be showing up on Lemmy anymore.
Wait, you know Nicole?
The fediverse chick.
/s
Nope, just the account that posted her that I told to go kill themselves.
Why did she? Seems like a case of FAFO.
Did you know that recruiters LIE?
Imagine being broke and struggling through college. You get an email from a recruiter - they have access to the university’s entire mailing of course - telling you that all you have to do is show up to a few weeks of boot camp, and do drill on the weekend.
You’re 18, and don’t know that recruiters are not just allowed to sell you up the river, but encouraged to. It seems like a nice alternative to student loan hell debt and living off jars of peanut butter.
I do ASVAB prep occasionally, which I have mixed feelings about, and have a client who I’ve just gotten to being able to borrow when subtracting. Do you think he’s equipped to make an intelligent choice when a recruiter promises him the world?
Seems like a case of bait-and-switch.
She was a reservist, meaning she was told she’d be training on weekends and working her regular job during the week. It should be illegal to send reservists to these wars of choice, but Dubya changed that during the War on Terror because no one wanted to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to die.
And I’m not comfortable blaming the soldiers just yet, when all the evidence we have is that the military and joint chiefs (sans Keg-Breath) told Donald not to do this and he told them to fuck themselves and did it anyway.
In this day and age, if you sign up for the military you know there is a high chance you will be sent to a foreign country that did nothing to us to kill brown children to distract from the fact that our leaders are raping other children.
Or you would know it if the USA wasn’t the most propagandized place on the face of the earth.
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you know there is a high chance you will be sent to a foreign country
Being sent to staff a base and being sent to a war are two totally different things. (At least until February 2026)
Or you would know it if the USA wasn’t the most propagandized place on the face of the earth.
The military itself opposed this, and that’s in the public record. This president has a record of avoiding wars and disentangling the US from them, especially in Syria and Afghanistan. (Which, ironically, Dems opposed even though these wars had lasted decades.)
Iran and Venezuala are, rightly, unexpected, and if you’re blaming reservists for their deaths then you’re the one who’s propagandized in this case. Can’t exactly blame someone for dying in a war when all of the information they have is that it’s (relatively) safe to be a US soldier and they can’t read a demented person’s mind.
Can’t exactly blame someone for dying in a war when all of the information they have is that it’s (relatively) safe to be a US soldier and they can’t read a demented person’s mind.
No, but you can blame them having a complete lack of moral character and for being completely, and willfully, ignorant of what their job entails.
Yeah I’m not excusing a hired killer because they thought it was a low chance anyone would ever successfully shoot back.
And then his buddy Putin gave the American military targets to Iran, then convinced Trump to remove the sanctions on Russian oil.
So Trump starts a war that jacks up oil prices, and firms up the markets for Russia and Tesla, making Putin and Musk the big winners.
his buddy Putin
American President surrounded by American generals and senators and tech CEOs doing a very American war in the Middle East as Americanly as you please
“Evil Foreigners made him do it”
Right, pretend Russia’s fingers aren’t all over every bit of this. Trump can be even scummier than you think (and he is), but that doesn’t make Putin a good guy. They are both psychopathic maniacs, and they are both getting as much out of this atrocity as they possibly can, along with a LOT of other people.
You’ll always look stupid defending Putin. As stupid as you look when defending Trump.
How the fuck is he defending Putin? Just because you made a accusation and he told you fuckwits are evil all on your own and always have been makes him a Putin defender?
Holy reading comprehension batman.
Is this what you have to show for your education? Strawman arguments like a toddler.
My reading comprehension is bad? He’s the one who literally took “evil foreigners made him do it” from what I said. Obviously Trump and MAGA are evil, but so is Putin, and Musk, and together they form the triumvirate of evil that is taking us into WW3.
They’re all evil, okay?
You’ll always look stupid defending Putin.
Evangelicals have The Devil and Liberals have Vladimir Putin.
The GOP has wanted to bomb Iran since Bush 41. The whole party, and much of the American business community, is fully in his corner.
Hell, even Democrats are throwing in their support.
Evangelicals have The Devil and Liberals have Vladimir Putin.
The Devil isn’t real.
You’ll always look stupid defending Putin.
Like I said.
where she was? in foreign lands, invading. In the casino you shouldn’t cry.
“the pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service.”
Albert Einstein
you play stupid games, you get stupid prizes
Not a great decision of her to help the US in its territorial ambitions but I’m also not a fan of victim blaming aka “she had it coming”.
Especially when the US economy is basically stacked in such a way that the military is promoted as the only reliable path out of poverty for many (which the state also artificially maintains).
There’s a pipeline of high school to military recruitments for grads who have been convinced by their embedded ROTC recruiters that they have no other options.
There are no more summer lifeguard jobs
There are no more art museums to guard
The lab is out of white lab coats
Cause there are no more slides and microscopes
But there are still careers in combat, my son
There are still careers in combat, my sonThere are no more roles on TV shows
There are no road-cone dispensing jobs
There are no spots left for park ranger
Cause there are no bears left to save you from
But there are still careers in combat, my son
There are still careers in combat, my son(s)
Thanks for the source but could you extend the hyperlink text to make it easier to click? Something like this,
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So, she chose her wellbeing over others’ lives?
The overwhelming majority of people do, and not even for wellbeing, purely for comfort.
Did you consider the workers at foxcon, where suicide is so prevalent they have had to make multiple changes to the building including massive fucking nets outside each window to stop jumpers, when you last bought nearly any bit of tech? Pretty much every device with cell data connectivity sources parts from them, and so do many other pieces of tech. How about all the children in rare materials mines where materials for tech are sourced?
Personally I find this argument highly hypocritical. The basic fact that you’re posting here all but guarantees you have chosen comfort, not even actual wellbeing, over others lives too.
Edit: and to be clear, so do I. I just find it darkly funny when people pretend that their personal line in the sand is a difference of whether or not they do at all rather than simply a difference in degrees of separation. It’s nearly impossible to exist in modern society without doing this sort of thing, so get over yourself.
I’m not killing other people. That’s a very distinct line (which is usually a capital crime, unless you’re hired by the army).
You are trying to blur this line. Disgusting.
The fuck I am.
You’re the one that equivocated military service (and implied killing through it) to simply
[choosing] wellbeing over others’ lives
Choosing wellbeing over others’ lives is the thing almost all of us do almost fucking constantly, and explicitly what I was talking about.
Military service and murdering people is not.
Edit: Draw your line in the sand wherever you want, murder is a perfectly valid line to have and one I agree with.
Just don’t pretend that you don’t choose wellbeing over others’ lives too. If your issue is with military service and murder, stick with that.
What about perpetrator blaming?
Nah, she joined the military knowing exactly what we do with it. Not gonna shed a tear for someone propping up American imperialism and terrorism.
18 year olds are surprisingly easy to fool, let alone 18 year olds who have been getting groomed by recruiters since age 14.
You are not immune to propaganda and pretending you are does not make you an intellectual, it makes you unable to see when you fall for it.
Except military recruiters lying their ass off is a universally known trope. This is a classic wolves ate my face, they went into the military for the benefits, fuck everyone else. And now it turns out the military cared for them about as much as it cares for the people she oppressed for them.
The government setting it up so the path of least resistance is becoming a pedo doesn’t make becoming a pedo ok
“universally known” By who? You happened to stumble upon that. Lots of people are impressionable, don’t know that they’re allowed to lie, or think people like you are exaggerating for effect, especially given that most people like you don’t take the subject seriously and can only communicate through social media dunks. Like it or not, your sass does not help prevent kids from becoming cannon fodder.
Ya it’s a universal known trope to young impressionable people who barely know anything you’re right
Lmao do you not remember being 18? They tried to recruit me, same as everyone else. I considered the benefits, decided, “hey, that sounds really cool, but aren’t you guys known for lying your ass off?” and steered clear. You’re trying to present this as retro framing, but it’s not. This isn’t a case of “I was so smart, I figured out the US military is evil”, it’s a case of “at 10 years old everyone who knew how to read knew the US military was evil”
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she went all-in on an invasion, the house always wins
