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        This is who we always were. Real time media for events out of sight and earshot is relatively new. And that’s partly why they want to heavily censor and spy on us.

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          Yes, Putin probably enjoys this, but this is not trump alone. He has the support of the whole republican party, or at least 95% of it.

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            He has support of the US. They voted for him and for his ‘opposition’ of cowards that can do nothing but watch cry crocodile tears.

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            I agree it’s not but like AIPAC I don’t think it’s a stretch that the broader cartel that is the GOP realizes their reelection hinges on the bilateral relationship with Russia. They’ve been in cahoots for at least 2 decades or more.

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          Well don’t think he’s that happy since his supply of drones most likely has dried up

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            If I understand right, ruzzia has long since started to develop and innovate domestically upon the design of Shaheds, and I don’t think they were receiving that many relative to domestic production, though I agree it’s a thorn in Putin’s side presumably.

            Though I have some other theories as to the bigger game being played here but just theories and speculation.

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              make sense why the right wing talking heads hes paying isnt spreading anti-iran propaganda, he mostly certain is trying to formulate a way to discredit the war, but hasnt yet.

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      Every statement of this tweet is factually false.

      The US did and does horrible things, but the attack of this ship was legal: https://www.uwa.edu.au/news/article/2026/march/us-sank-an-iranian-warship-and-didnt-rescue-survivors-is-this-legal-in-war

      It was a cruel and cynical attack, but it adhered to the rules of warfare.

      This doesn’t change that Trump is a monster and this war is horrible, but this torpedo attack itself was legal.

      Edit: anybody thinking I’m defending Trump or his war on Iran can check my post history. This is my post from literally 1 day ago:

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        Nothing in the content of that tweet is refuted by your link, everything in the tweet is factually true. The “rules of warfare” comment refers to leaving the survivors to die only to be rescued by Sri Lankan forces, instead of helping them as they are mandated to do. The submarine was under no risk being in that region, and by avoiding helping the survivors, it committed a war crime.

        Tell us, what else in the above tweet is false? The military exercise? The Iranian boat being unarmed? The US pulling out of the exercise to carry out an attack against unarmed members of the Iranian navy? All of that is true. Why are you making such a fool of yourself to defend the Epstein coalition?

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          In the part about rescuing the survivors, he is correct in that the US adhered within the laws of naval warfare.

          A submarine is not expected to be able to rescue sailors. A precedence dating back to WW2 when a German submarine DID rescue allied sailors, surfacing and carrying them on top of their sub while towing a lifeboat. They were then fired upon by allied forces, and were forced to cut the line and submerge. After that. Orders were issued to submarines to not engage in rescue operations.

          Wheater or not the sub was in danger in that region is ultimately speculation. It’s possible the ship sent mayday back to Iran, who could have sent aircrafts. Regardless of probability, it is a possibility.

          What the law says, is you need to take all possible measures. Surfacing isn’t seen as a possible measure. And where would they even keep them? Subs are cramped enough as it is.

          The article notes that Sri Lankan rescue ships were quick to arrive at the scene. Possibly due to the US sending a message about the coordinates of the sinking. Which does fall in line with “all possible measures”

          The guy isn’t defending anyone. He clearly said he thinks the war is illegal and Trump is a monster.

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            From the linked article:

            These rules apply to naval warfare and require belligerents, so far as military circumstances permit, to assist survivors at sea.

            In practice, however, submarines face particular challenges in fulfilling this obligation. Surfacing to rescue survivors may expose them to significant risk. You also can’t usually fit a large number of survivors on a submarine.

            If a submarine cannot safely surface to rescue survivors, it may instead facilitate rescue by reporting their location to other vessels or authorities.

            “Surfacing […] may expose them to significant risk”. Tell me which risk the submarine was facing in Sri fucking Lanka after sinking an Iranian boat.

            Wheater or not the sub was in danger in that region is ultimately speculation. It’s possible the ship sent mayday back to Iran, who could have sent aircrafts. Regardless of probability, it is a possibility

            Tell me which strike aircraft model Iran possesses that can travel the thousands of kilometers from Iran to Sri Lanka and then back without refueling on the way (Iran, unlike the US, doesn’t have military bases in half the planet). This is bullshit speculation, and the “possibility of air strikes from half an ocean away” argument would render this law of rescue entirely useless forever. Tell me, which risk of retaliation was the US facing when striking and murdering fishermen off the coast of Venezuela and leaving them to die?

            The article notes that Sri Lankan rescue ships were quick to arrive at the scene. Possibly due to the US sending a message

            Again entirely speculation. Let’s see the country of origin of the author. Oh, it’s an Aussie defense analyst, I’m sure this is totally unbiased and not a propaganda piece to defend western attacks to Iranians!

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              I don’t know all risks they may or may not face while surfacing outside of Sri Lankan waters. I’m not privy to any of those details. I doubt you are either.

              But where exactly do you think they would keep the rescued sailors? Submarines are not known for their abundance of space for captives.

              There is no good reason for a submarine to linger around after sinking a ship. You go away and hide.

              What they did do was notify Sri Lanka, which launched a rescue operation. Which does satisfy the “all possible measures” of conducting rescue.

              You seemingly also read the same article I did. i thought it was explained quite well.

              And why are you bringing up Venezuela? What do they have to do with Iran?

              I assume it’s some little aha but what do you think of this!? And this!? Bet you liked that! Bla bla bla.

              I’ll make it short. US strikes on Venezuelan boats is not ok, it’s state sponsored murder. Any other country would be sanctioned if they did it.

              Trump is an idiot. The US is unreliable. Israel is committing genocide. Nazis are bad. Gestapo is bad.

              Anything else I didn’t cover that you need to know about?

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                What they did do was notify Sri Lanka

                We have literally no source for this other than a western analyst speculating about it, what are you talking about?

                And why are you bringing up Venezuela?

                Because a country not showing any kind of problem carrying out repeated war crimes will continue to carry them out?

                I don’t know all risks they may or may not face while surfacing outside of Sri Lankan waters

                Yet you’re quick to speculate about airstrike capabilities of Iranian air forces as an excuse for US submarines leaving Iranian navy personnel to die in the water, using a western analyst’s speculations in a clearly US-biased article.

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                  Considering the US lost 3 bomb planes to a “friendly” aircraft. It’s hardly surprising they don’t want to take any unnecessary risk. Surfacing a Submarine is an unnecessary risk.

                  The Sri Lankan rescuers seemingly arrived at the scene very quickly. It is not unreasonable to believe the US might have sent them a message. Is it a fact. No. But it looks very plausible given the circumstances.

                  I’m sure the US will continue to commit war crimes. But sinking this ship isn’t one of them.

                  So I ask you again. Where on the submarine do you think they can accommodate the entire crew of a ship they just sank? Where can they keep them prisoners in a manner that is safe for the crew and ship? The answer is nowhere.

                  Submarines are not equipped to conduct rescue operations as sea.

                  You have so many options of situations where you can accuse the US of actual war crimes. Why don’t you use them instead of hyper-fixating on the one incident that isnt?

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            Thanks for the sane comment. Anybody can check my posts and see that I hate the orange clown. That doesn’t change the facts about this submarine attack.

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          Nope. Even if the war was started illegally, as soon as there is an armed conflict, the same rules of warfare apply.

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          Doesn’t matter. Even if it was started illegally, in an armed conflict the rules of warfare apply

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      Lot of gymnastics here. This is pretty simple: do not move your unarmed warship through international waters so you can arm it and join an active conflict while your aggressor is literally right next to you.

      The Iranian admiral who ordered this ship to sail is an idiot and this ship was fair game.

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        Yes, and schoolchildren will eventually grow up and reach fighting age so they are also fair game. Parents that sent those kids to school are idiots.

        Oh, and parents can have more kids so they are also fair game. People that decided to be born in Iran are idiots.

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          Your routine was ambitious but I think you stuck the landing. 10/10.

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        Gymnastics my arse. It was an attack on an unarmed ship.

        During a war these grubs can’t justify. Maggots they are.

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          An unarmed what? What kind of ship was it? Headed to where? To be armed to with what? To do what?

          The war is not justifiable. But given the context that frigate was done the moment it sailed.

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            An unarmed what

            Ship, with human lives on it

            What kind…

            Unarmed. Vulnerable.

            Headed to where

            Home port which still doesn’t justify sinking an unarmed ship

            To be armed…

            To do what

            Then it might be fair game if this war was legitimate but it isn’t. It was only done the moment it sailed because Americans are war criminals and the bad guys.

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              I understand this isn’t necessarily hinged on just the legality but it is fair game under the laws of warfare even if the war is an illegal one.

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          I get paid in downvotes from people who can’t think. I get paid in replies empty of any rebuttal.

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      There is no carpet bombing of Tehran. This person is thus not a reputable source and you need to start doubting the rest of the claims until you find a better source.

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          you’re saying Israel and the US are attacking hospitals with precision bombs, not carpet bombs?

          This has been Israel’s M.O. for literal decades.

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        Ryan Grim is an investigative journalist who has a strong track record of accurate and groundbreaking reporting. Whatever semantics arguments you have doesn’t make him any less reputable or this statement any less correct.

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            He’s providing context to help people understand what a Kurdish Iranian imam was saying about a washed up son of a former dictator. I’m not sure what’s more pathetic, your lack of reading comprehension or that you genuinely think Pahlavi is an “Iranian opposition leader”. lol

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            … so they precision struck those targets then?

            Your problem with Ryan Grim is he didn’t paint a bad enough picture?

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              It seems to be a tragic case of incorrect intel that lead to the school in Minab being targeted. I hope the US will take responsibility for it and improve procedures, this is not acceptable.

              Carpet bombing is a way to discredit the attacks to indiscriminately target civilians. This is not the case. Yes, civilians who are in the wrong place at the wrong time sadly get caught in the cross fire, and sometimes intel is wrong. But the attacks so far have not proven to deliberately target civilians.

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        They mean striking civilian targets when they say carpet bombing, they don’t mean WW2 style mass dumb bombing.

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          They mean what they say and it is propaganda. In addition, the amount of civilian targets hit are few. The Islamic regime itself is responsible for a lot more deaths. The opinions of regime-critical Iranians inside the country can be summarized like this: yes, bombs are scary, but the regime is more scary.

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            The Islamic regime itself is responsible for a lot more deaths.

            STOP JUSTIFYING THIS. YOU. ARE. BRAINWASHED.

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            Bro two hospitals and a school where they haven’t shown a valid target nearby is three civilian targets too many for the most technologically advanced military in the world.

            Double tapping is just fuel on a bonfire but sure if prevaricating for fascists is your deal then carry on.

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                Keyword used to be, we have the largest Intel apparatus of any nation, combine that with Israel being at the very least top ten especially when it comes to Iran.

                They knew, stop trying to make excuses for the inexcusable.

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                  I still don’t think they knew, or at least mistakes were made. I don’t see any reason to stike like 500 military targets and then just that particular school.

                  People give the US too much credit

                  edit: as a mod seems to have deleted my post for some vague reason, here’s the article I referred to

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                    So you’re under the impression we know how to find their nuclear program, is exact storage locations, the defenses in place, how much rock and concrete it’s under but somehow some way can’t use a telephone book to find out it’s a girl’s school or use satellite photography to see school children going in and out on a daily basis?

                    Really that makes more sense to you then people taking part in a self proclaimed holy war striking civilian targets?

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        Well Russia didn’t do it because they don’t have the “fuck you” power that the US has. Russia sucks and is a huge danger, but this is absolutely not the time to whataboutism about them. I really hope you’re being ironic, because otherwise it’s just providing cover for mass murder.

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          I mean… there can be two murderous ruthless sadistic powers on earth. Three even! I’ll let you choose the third.

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                China is bad, but it’s it worse than the these to 3. I doubt it.

                The west considers it worst since

                1. It’s not an European or white nation, which is technologically advanced.
                2. It’s daring to reject European interference.
                3. It is communist.
                4. It is trying to be the next hegemony.

                It is bad because

                1. It is a dictatorship
                2. There are a lot of human rights abuse happening in is own country.
                3. It does try to be the next USSR.
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                  I was thinking about how it treat minorities and their threats to Taiwan and how that would impact the global balance and economy.

                  I don’t care about their race, claimed economic system or government.

                  But Israel is a genocidal regime, so as of 2026 definitely worse. China has potential to do more damage, tho.

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            And whataboutisms do not help either case. They just muddy the water and derail the conversation. If you want to talk about Russia or China, the US fighting this awful war only helps other competing empires. Russia is more likely to carve further into Europe, China is more guaranteed to take Taiwan, and other countries will race towards nuclear deterrents even harder then they were. Many more people are dead and will die because of this path America has driven us into. It is horrific and America needs to be stopped to make everyone safer.

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              It’s not whataboutism, it’s condemning both and NOT letting the existence of other justify the actions of one.

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                That’s not the way it comes across. It was just as annoying when people did the “what about American imperialism!” when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Timing matters

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        “russia would do” - when you say that to yourself remember that phrase is propaganda. it’s literally some shit the USA did do. Your “IDK” is cognitive dissonance.

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            Bruh you’re not the “new Russia”, Russia is america Lite. Has been since the fall of the USSR. You’ve always been this. You killed millions of Iraqi while pretending to liberate them. Same in Vietnam, same in Korea.

            This is what you’ve always been; hopefully when Trump is out of office you stay in reality and don’t fall back to the dream you believed prior to Trump.

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            Lol. We aren’t the new Russia. We’re just continuing to be the same war crime committing monsters we’ve been for centuries.

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            Russia was never relevant. The USSR failed.

            It was empire

            Then feudalism

            Then the advent of the ruling of the mercantile class.

            Next will be rule by the people.