Are those opinions such that other people are lesser and should be dragged out back and shot? I am okay with this. Lines need to be drawn somewhere?! The advocacy for violence and murder should be behind that line.
So ban everyone but anarcho-pacifists from political discourse? Or does systemic violence not count?
I think i know this pattern: “if journalist getting way heavier punishments than murders, rapist, active pedophlies this is a sign of oppressive regime”. I dont read anything from him so i can’t say is he realy acting like a lunatic but even if he is this is a excessive move.
btw i look what news says(i just search hüseyin doğru in duckduckgo, and opened 4 random news[actually 5 but one of about another person related to Doğru])
wsws.org EU imposes professional ban on German citizen, critical journalust Hüseyin Doğru
- “sows, ethnic, political and religious discord” and thus aids “Russia’s destabilising activities.”
harici.com.tr EU upholds sanctions against journalist Hüseyin Doğru over alleged Russian ties
- The EU has rejected a request from Hüseyin Doğru, founder of video media portal Red, to revise a measure imposed on him as a part of the 17th sanctions package against Russia *Red portal maintains “close financial and organizational ties” with actors “involved in Russian state propaganda”
- Red published false information, including Hamas narratives, and provided a “special media platform” for “anti-Israel insurgents.”
ndfp.info Media supporters condemn EU for its sanctions against red. Media and Hüseyin Doğru
- Since no case has been filed against Doğru, the sanctions are therefore a form of censorship and violations of his fundemental right as a journalist, according to Bayan.
- “Amid attempts to silence media, we must defend fellow journalist facing repression, and collectively persist in telling stories being buried deliberately by those escaping reality.” it said.
hintergrund.de (this is a German news so i used goohle translate) The case of German-Turkish journalist Hüseyin Doğru
- This means, among other things, that he cannot receive or give money to others - with corresponding restrictions on his ability to, for example, hire a lawyers to defend himself legaly. Even buying food and medicine is not straightforward for him, but requires authorization from state authorities each time. He is also probhited from leaving Germany, as the sanctions prohibit both entry into and exit from the EU. It should be noted that all these massive infringements of fundamental rights occur without any judge having issued a ruling or any other form of legal legitimacy.
- For in Doğru’s case, the sanctions are justified in a manner that undoubtedly has a totalitarian character and bodes ill the future if press freedom in the EU.
while I don’t approve of the method, leaving this person basically stranded and without indictment. I want to differentiate that the person in question is not a good person
links in German:
https://taz.de/RT-nahes-Medium-Red/!6039623/
The person seems heavily bound with Russian desinformation, ties with RT, and foreign letterbox company, to circumvent sanctions. Then got caught in the consequences of the freezing of Russian assets after the Ukraine war.
I doubt this person is as innocent as your meme makes them out to be so let’s differentiate please.
If a person fighting for the recognition of Palestinians isn’t a good person in German media, then who is? Your law enforcement is cracking down on free speech against protestors who believe Palestinians are people who deserve to live in peace, but you believe that him being potentially linked to Russia automatically makes him a villain??? What??? Isn’t the most logical conclusion that the state is warning journalists not to step out of line because your elites PROFIT off weapons sales to Israel?
It takes more than 1 good position to quantify as a good person. Are you really that shallow? If hypothetical famous cannibal and child rapist Joe Eatskids says that he is in favor of Palestinian liberation and religious freedom in every nation does that excuse his other crimes against humanity?
We’re not talking about a hypothetical child rapist cannibal, we’re talking about regular people being beaten up by cops in Germany for having solidarity with Palestinians, and if this speech isn’t protected then why would I believe the German establishment cares at all about humanity?
while I don’t approve of the method
Is it safe for you to say this?
If you say something they don’t like, they could do the same to you, no charge, no trial. And criticizing that practice might be something they don’t like, even if not today, then maybe tomorrow.
You’re probably fine for now because you justified the actions by attacking the victim, but this might be as critical as you’re allowed to be.
I think we need to start getting some reliable, neutral outside polls on Europe to see how they really feel about their governments. Maybe we can bring in some Chinese pollsters. Obviously anyone voicing approval in domestic polls is just afraid of the repercussions of voicing a negative opinion.
Is it safe for you to say this? If you say something they don’t like, they could do the same to you, no charge, no trial.
Who is this they you are talking about? It sounds like antisemitism.
And yes its safe for me to say. I think not having ties with Russian state propaganda for living normally is a risk I’m willing to take, as its no effort for me.
All these other speculations you’re pointing to you would have to prove to me first.
Who is this they you are talking about?
Your fucking government, dumbass. The EU. The people implementing the policy in question. I know y’all act like any criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitic, but does that protection now extend to any criticism of the EU?
I think not having ties with Russian state propaganda for living normally is a risk I’m willing to take, as its no effort for me.
Nothing to hide so you have nothing to fear, eh? Yeah, millions of Americans were fine with our government using extralegal punishments and detentions because they thought it would be limited to terrorists. Now we’re being dragged away to secret torture dungeons in El Salvador.
But fortunately, I’m sure that nothing bad will come of European governments having the tools to punish people without charge or trial. I mean, honestly, what do you even need rights for? Just trust the people in charge to sort out the good guys and the bad guys.
Say, unrelated, but how’s the AFD doing these days? And, purely hypothetically, if they got into government, how would you feel about them having a precedent that would allow them to apply these punishments to anyone they consider to have engaged in wrongthink?
All these other speculations you’re pointing to you would have to prove to me first.
What speculations would I have to prove? That domestic polls are unreliable?
I’ve seen a lot of people dismiss domestic polls in China that show overwhelming support for the government as unreliable. I’ve never seen one of them feel the need to prove it, or present a shred of evidence. In fact, when outside polls have confirmed those results, they just say that they’re all “brainwashed” or “propagandized.”
Not quite as fun when it’s your people’s perspective that’s being written off, is it?
Who is this they you are talking about?
Your government, you fucking dipshit.
Fucking genocide enthusiasts, the Germans, now using claims of antisemitism to shut down any criticism of an ongoing genocide. It’s in your fucking blood I swear.
German comes along to explain why being anti-genocide makes you bad. German thinks your human rights don’t matter if you’re the wrong kind of person. Pretty typical.
I think context as always matters when looking at things. Generalising things at seeking easy truths is when we leave out the nuances and these matter. Let’s focus for example on what I said vs what I didn’t say. I didn’t say a person exercising free speech is a problem, I said the person had ties with Russian state propaganda. Which I even explained with sources. Here are some more:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(Fernsehsender)#Ukraine_und_Syrien
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_(Plattform)
Your next point, after indicating generalizing all Germans are the same, was that I said this person(and all persons) doesn’t deserve human rights, vs what I actually said, they should have an indictment, where they would have a chance to appeal against.
Your ad hominem fallacy tactics are childish.
If they said you’re a dipshit therefore you’re wrong, that’s ad hominem, that’s not what they said. You are wrong and don’t know what an ad hominem is, you dipshit.
No, you are assigning a moral value to complexity. Things are not more materially or morally correct by being more complex. That is the thinking of someone who thinks they are smart by really isn’t. Simple truths exist. One of which is that genocide is bad. Adding any “context” to that is pro-genocide. Which Germans have a long history of being.
You all are very high and mighty about the apparent lessons you learned from committing the most complex genocide in history (I can tell you are one of those). But the lesson you all learned is that you need to hire other people to do it. It allows you to maintain your smugness and innocence to anyone who doesn’t pay attention to anything.
Not an ad hominem, an accurate observation
They did not use an ad hominem fallacy, they said you explained why being anti-genocide is wrong, and then said that that’s typical of Germans. They did not say you were wrong because you were German.
Nazi logic 2026/1945: “but he’s of subhuman race, therefore bad”
Stop the spread of germans
While the Europe s democratic prozess is pretty bad, I don’t think they are imperialists. They might be tied to the US which now strives for imperalist expansion, but the eu does not show imperialist behavior, like trying to expand territory. At least not by definition.
The EU exports capital to super-exploit the global south for super-profits. The EU lives off of the labor of the global south.
Imperialism can take many forms, including neocolonialism, invasions of any kind, regime changes, etc. European powers are very much in bed with the US and actors in imperialism.
Can we do like, somewhat democratic institution with serious democratic deficits on top of the democratic deficits that are inherent in capitalism? Microdosing some nuance wouldn’t hurt, jank
Even Kaja Kallas called von der Leyen a dictator so on account of how EU stans believe her on everything they should better start calling EU accordingly.
