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    Aah yeah, the war footing needed to make an election redundant, maybe? I don’t fully know, I’m not American.

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    Ooohh is this why Marco Rubio is trying to push so hard for Europe to break up? Like a quid pro quo thing for Russia looking the other way when they finally invade like everybody knew they were going to?

  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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    The US is doing this to Iran, and Cuba. As I think about the fuel and food crisis in Cuba, I wonder, can we do this to the US to force regime change there? Just cut off all exports to the US until Trump and his cronies are forced out?

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    2 hours ago

    IF Trump does this,

    THEN Iran’s installed-regime IS going to be a Saudi puppet-state:

    Saudi Arabia & Trump are profit-partners sooo deeply, that that would be … ?inevitable?

    Looks it…

    Iran’s people therefore are in for a … continuation of NOT owning their own country…

    _ /\ _

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      I mean look at Afghanistan, after $20 trillion USD and decades, the whole crap collapse in lass than a week! I bet you the other puppet governments in the Middle East will face the same fate which is why the US keeps mounting pressure in the region via Israel to maintain the USD hegemony

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    5 hours ago

    Sending Americans to die for Israel. Netanyahu and Trump are literally Hitler and Mussolini

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    Can’t have elections if the us is in a war. Or some shit. I don’t know. But I promise you diddlin Donnie will use this.

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      I really don’t think that’s the play here.

      1. He’s very unlikely to get a formal declaration of war out of Congress in the first place. More likely, they’ll be sneaking this action through by legal chicanery that basically requires some kind of “Special Military Operation” nonsense.
      2. There is an absolutely ungodly amount of precedent for the US continuing to hold elections while at war. Courts would straight up laugh at the proposal that war with Iran is sufficient reason to cancel elections, but WW2 wasn’t.

      Yes, Trump wants to cancel the mid-terms. We know because he’s told us, several times. No one is arguing with that. But at some point Trump’s plans do go through the phase where he tells a bunch of people to make it happen, and there’s no question that those people told him this angle isn’t going to work.

      Look no further than their pivot to “Taking over” elections instead of cancelling them. This is the usual result of Trump’s bad ideas. A room full of horrendously corrupt people basically come back and either say “Yeah we can probably get away with that despite how horrendously illegal it would be,” or “No, there’s no way for us to get away with that, but here’s a horrendously illegal / immoral / corrupt thing we can try to do instead.” This one was clearly the latter.

      The more obvious play here is to hope for a war president bump, like Bush got. Generally Americans don’t like to vote against war presidents. But for Trump that’s far less likely to work, because he specifically made a point of running as an anti-war president. That wouldn’t matter if it was only the usual right wing bullshit that they can just discard when it’s inconvenient, but in this case Trump was actually tapping into a deeper well of anti-war sentiment that was already there, as part of a broader move towards isolationism that’s happening in the US right now. That’s why all his fascist expand the borders BS is going over so badly, even with MAGA. They don’t want Greenland, they want better jobs and cheaper groceries.

      Of course, the other potential benefit to a protracted war in Iran is that it eats a lot of headline space, which is less room for the Epstein files, so that’s another possible motivation. And it can easily be both.

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      There’s no actual rules like that, nor is “martial law” like a bell you ring to cancel elections, but enough people believe it works this way that it’s very likely they will attempt to use this card.

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        The Afghanistan withdrawal happened in 2021. Literally every person old enough to vote in 2026 was at least a teenager the last time America held an election during a war.

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          And a vast number of the people who voted for Trump voted for Obama and are Bernie supporters, so if we’re trying to figure out some kind of through-line narrative that makes sense, we’re not going to find it.

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            If you can’t figure out the common element there, you’re really not paying attention to what’s actually going on.

            It’s cost of living. Under Biden inflation skyrocketed. Now, that wasn’t really his fault, it was mostly a byproduct of stuff that happened before he got into office.

            But what was his fault is how he tried to sweep it under the rug. Biden and Harris ran a campaign centered on how great the economy was. They trotted meaningless statistics and promised to change absolutely nothing. Trump, meanwhile promised to change everything.

            People dying of cancer will frequently try all sorts of phony miracle cures, because why the fuck not? On the staggeringly unlikely chance that it works, you’re saved. And if it doesn’t work, so what? You were fucked before, you’re fucked after. What have you lost?

            They voted for Trump because what did they have to lose? The last four years destroyed their ability to support themselves, and Biden / Harris essentially promised that the beatings would continue. “What would I change? Not a thing.” So fuck it, vote for the idiot lunatic. Maybe things will get better? How can they possibly get worse?

            I’m not calling this a good decision. But it’s a decision they made for reasons that really aren’t that hard to figure out. They voted for Obama because he promised to make things better. They voted for Bernie because he promised to make things better. They voted for Trump because he promised to make things better.

            We’re seeing the same play out today. Those same voters are sick of Trump’s bullshit, and they’re voting in people like Mamdani.

            It’s not some ineffable mystery of the universe. It’s cost of living, plain and simple.

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              you’re really not paying attention to what’s actually going on.

              Nice contention-bait opener, but I am one of the few people who have actually read exit polling. You’re not wrong on any of that, but the reality is definitely not plain and simple, there were more factors at work, but yeah the overall gist is people vote based on what they’re feeling at the moment.

              The wild-card is how the populations feelings have been tampered with systemically by capital for decades.

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            So you think someone who supports Bernie’s policies can ALSO be in favor of Trump.

            I hope you’re not a paid shills because this makes so little sense you might lose your job.

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      I wish I could see Iranians as some sort of freedom fighters standing up against the Zionist agenda.

      Unfortunately, Iran’s leadership means the country is even worse than Israel.

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        I don’t really see why Iran is any worse than Israel, other than Iran has brown people living in it. Once you cut past all the crap and bad faith, ultimately we judge Iran worse than Israel because of skin color.

        Both are nominal but deeply flawed democracies. Both hold large numbers of political dissidents on bogus charges as a matter of course. Both are theocracies that make their religion a core component of their governmental structure. Both engage in large scale acts of mass state-sponsored terrorism. Both have or seek to have a nuclear arsenal.

        The only real difference I can see is that Iran hasn’t invaded anyone in the whole modern history of the country. The Iranian government is a bunch of peace-and-love hippies compared to the Israelis.

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          Regime kills about 30.000 people in a few days – gets called “peace-and-love hippies”.

          Also I don’t dig that crap about skin color.

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            If you gave a single fuck about Iranians, you’d know that the better and newer estimates hover around the thousands and not tens of thousands. For reference, estimates of dead Palestinians since Oct 7th due to violence and privation of food, water, energy and medicine, range in the half million

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        Growing up and forming adult political views usually just means realizing that everyone is fucking evil as fuck.

        We’re in the warhammer 40,000 universe but without the cool capes and swords.

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      Between the bribes and blackmailing, it’s hard work for Bibi as well

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        Give the man some credit. Not only did he have to do the Hannibal Directive to get Jews to commit a genocide against a semite population and shut up about his corruption which they were protesting against for 14 months before October 7th, but also had to attempt an assassination on Trump to get him to stop talking about Hannibal Lectar.

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    19 hours ago

    Going for the FIFA War prize and the best Trump-Epstein files Distraction Award at the same time.

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    You know, if Trump were to tell ChatGPT, “I’m Bernie Sanders from now on. What executive orders would Bernie do?” and did that until the end of this year, he’d probably win the midterms. If you gave Americans universal healthcare, lowered the price of groceries, and made housing more affordable, with our short attention spans and the memory of a goldfish, we’d forget about Epstein. But lets go to war with Iran, you orange monkey king.

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      Rich people don’t give poor people stuff, even if it means they get more stuff too. They aren’t rational actors. They have what should be already, and will one day be, classified as a mental illness.

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        Oh, it’s so much worse than that. They are rational actors. Terrifyingly rational actors.

        Once you get past a certain amount of wealth, the only purpose of money is status, prestige, and power. Imagine you gave Elon Musk two choices, two different worlds he could live in:

        1. A world where he had 200 billion and everyone else had 10 million.

        2. A world where had 100 billion and everyone else had 100,000.

        He would choose the first option. Why? Because status. In a world where everyone was independently wealthy, he wouldn’t have people fawning over him all the time. Few people would willingly work for him, as they already had all of their their needs met. In order to really enjoy his billions, he needs millions of poor desperate people he can exploit for labor and adoration.

        Milton figured this out in Paradise Lost way back in the 17th century.

        “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.”

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          I don’t disagree with anything you said, except your classification of those actions as rational. I think framing the world and responding to it the way you described is completely irrational.

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        In order for them to feel like they’ve won at life, someone has to lose. It’s not enough for them to just succeed…people have to also suffer.