.world and .ml. The eternal rivalry. Never change, Lemmy. Never change.
You’ll find them only getting that down voting traction during office hours as well 🧐
Hey, I mostly browse at work instead of working too, that doesn’t make me a fed. I am a fed, but not because of that
I recall watching an interview with Jacques Baud, who was a colonel in Swiss intelligence, and he pointed out that Russian propaganda works in support of material reality where western propaganda tries to invent a whole alternate reality.
Propaganda is everything and anything used to propagate a political goal or idea. Whether it’s truthful or not it’s still propaganda
Bingo.
Anything coming from the State is propaganda. 🤷🏼
I am working toward reduction of heirarchy and increased worker control of the means of production. I have an agenda to inform as many people I know about anarchy as possible. This is probably propoganda, maybe. I do not have all the answers. We can do better than the current system.
Does propoganda require a state? I think we can push an anarchist agena a state. Talk to neighbors and coworkers. Meet them where they are without the alienating lingo. The “RusSian PrOpogAnDa” reaction typically is the result of a bad sales pitch.
Conflating organization with heirarchy implies those at the top of a heirarchy do work that produces value. Organization can require delegation, but any delegation should be instantly recallable by the workers. Heirarchy however places a manager over workers.
Instead of bringing the entire team, the team can ask John to talk to the propulsion team about how strong the fuselage needs to be for successful liftoff and reentry. The team trusts John has the expertise to get correct specifictions. If John messes up, the team can go talk to the other team directly.
By contrast, a manager with a MBA has no idea about making rockets. The manager has to loop workers into the project. The manager uses the worker like a tool to communicate with other teams. The manager gets paid better than the workers. The workers cannot remove the manager for poor performance. That is the job of the managers boss.
A problem is that rhetoric is dismissed out of hand simply because it’s agreed with by a US enemy state actor, even when it doesn’t originate from a state at all.
Too many liberals follow the axiom “if Russia believes X, then X must be false” and don’t even bother to examine the veracity of X.
I had an article about the dprk no longer seeking unification deleted because it was from the dprk state news which failed the mfbc check 😆
Infuriating. As if all US media isn’t state media.
What website removed your story?
Oh this was some time ago, you can find it in the modlog of my lemm.ee account. I think it was lemmy.flatworld but not too sure.
Its so funny too, because even if they believe they are peddling fake news for propaganda purposes, like some radio free x site, do they believe the reporting on their own state policies is fake??
Yeah, I get what you mean. It should be considered a primary source for that kind of info
Palestinians are human? Uhhh not according to my neutral fact check page, bot
Anyone pushing their views is propaganda. Propaganda isn’t always a bad thing, propaganda can be good, like antifascist or pro-communist propaganda, or it can be bad, like fascist propaganda.
Pretty sure manipulating people is bad. States entrap resources, populations, and say this is ours and this is how you have to be. Governments the world over are mostly bad. Especially the powerful countries. Ml can downvote me if they want. But if the east or west were either so good our world wouldnt be a shit hole filled with war. Its pretty obvious. The capitalists need to not exist anymore, the emirates need to give up their monarchies, and Russia needs to let go of Putin. There could be peace. People with power just love power more.
Pretty sure manipulating people is bad.
Influencing people to hold beliefs like ‘nazis bad, colonialism bad, transphobia bad’ is good, actually.
This is just idealism, though. Power isn’t a self-driving end, profit is what’s important in capitalism, and is why socialist economies achieve better metrics even with lower resources. What you’re doing right now is “propaganda,” in that you’re trying to convince me (or others) of your views.
It was just called thoughts before governments weaponized it. A government or state, like a corporation, will always act in its own best interest. Which is why they should not exist. We will continue to be inundated with propaganda and divided until they are abolished.
A government or state, like a corporation, will always act in its own best interest.
I can’t think of any human structure, or any person, who doesn’t tend to act in their own perceived best interest. The issue is when self interest contradicts mutual interest.
Self-interest is an important concept in understanding why capitalist corporations are consistently antisocial and why most states act against their citizens, but self-interest isn’t a reason in itself.
It was just called thoughts before governments weaponized it.
Government propaganda definitely predates the modern English language. e.g. Roman Empire
Stop trying to manipulate people
You never have anything to say that means anything. My number 1 troll. Cowbee could convince the world of what they believe which is cool. You would come along and ruin it afterwards.
It’s amazing how you’re incapable of seeing the irony of aggressively pushing your opinion on other people in this thread.
No, propaganda is just the intentional dispertion of information to spread views you align with. Non-government groups do propaganda all the time. Secondly, governments are only extensions of a class, they aren’t an independent entity, and as such are thoroughly enmeshed and dependent on the mode of production.
Whatever you define them as they are hierarchal structures used to secure wealth and resources from the main bulk of the populace. Hierarchies cannot exist in a truly equal system.
Bedtimes are authoritarian
They aren’t used to secure wealth and resources from the working class, they are extensions of the ruling class in society. In socialism, that’s the working class, and the state oppresses the bourgeoisie and defends from outside attack. There’s also administration, which is a necessary hierarchy even in anarchist systems, as production at a large scale requires managers, just like battlefields need footsoldiers, tacticians, and strategians.
