• Zink@programming.dev
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    This feels like such a double edged sword living in the US where Israel-supporting police-loving rich capitalists are widely labeled as the radical left if they dare to suggest that people should get healthcare or maybe we shouldn’t spend trillions blowing up brown people on the other side of the globe.

    You know, the land of fucking geniuses where the batshit crazy pedo Nazi choice won the popular vote in 2024 against the Israel-supporting actual-cop capitalist who is right-wing to most of the rest of the world.

    I’m not even sure what my point is here, maybe just expressing frustration. The overton window here is so far to the right, and people so passively absorb propaganda every day, that it feels like the entire spectrum of people from leftists to liberals need to form a coalition to at least slow & reverse the movement to the right, even if their end goals are all very different.

    What it feels like is that the Republican party was actually supposed to be the controlled opposition to scare people into being comfortable voting for liberals, but then the propaganda worked too well and the mustache twirling evil caricatures got to be in charge instead. At this point I can only hope the level of ridiculousness knocks some sense into more people.

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    This is accurate, and I think it could hammer it home even harder with “liberal values” instead of “liberals.” The more directly we attack the issues, the harder it is for them to spin it as a personal attack.

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    People complaining about purity testing on the left and the test is whether they would vote for former abu ghraib guards with SS skull tattoos

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      I don’t really take stalk in how people vote in a liberal democracy, its built to dismantle class consciousness. Vote however your internal values and material conditions dictates, but please don’t act like voting will save us from fascism.

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    But also, there’s some people out there who will call it ‘criticizing liberals’ because they call anyone they disagree with a ‘liberal’. And they’re never ‘leftist infighting’ because whoever they’re fighting with is very conveniently a ‘liberal’.

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      You sound like a person who identifies as a leftist but is constantly labeled a liberal. I wonder why people do that to you? From your ignorant perspective, it must appear both random and personal, simultaneously. I bet it pisses you off.

      Words have meaning. Liberalism is a right-wing ideology. Leftists do not believe in capitalism. Read a book.

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        A talkie is a motion picture that has an accompanying soundtrack, allowing you to hear the actors in it talking.


        lol, but I’m guessing you meant ‘tankie’? Which is odd for you to bring up, because I didn’t use that word at all. It seems like you might already know what a tankie is, if you’re able to tell I was referring to them.

        But sure, I’ll take a crack at a definition for you. But only quid pro quo – after I define ‘tankie’, I want you to define ‘liberal’, okay? That’s only fair.

        Tankie: A person who (at least nominally) holds leftist, communist, socialist views and thinks it’s a wonderful idea to enforce those views with (among other things) actual tanks … even against, say, unarmed protesters. While (at least nominally) economically leftist, they often hold some very right-wing conservative social views and are usually keen on enforcing those with abundant state violence as well. Always a big fan of countries like the USSR, China, and North Korea, and usually will not entertain any criticism of anything those countries have ever done. Usually considers ‘the west’ in general and the United States in particular to be the greatest evil the world has ever seen (calling them and them alone ‘imperialist’ – a term that can never apply to anyone else), and will ‘critically’ (uncritically) support absolutely any country that stands in opposition to them … even if that means supporting Islamic theocracies or kleptocratic oligarchies. Most importantly, they have very little tolerance for differing viewpoints and would eagerly silence differing viewpoints using state violence if given the opportunity.

        Okay, now define ‘liberal’ in your own terms.

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      I see that a lot less than western liberals who cosplay as leftists complaining about being accurately criticised.