• m0nt@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    It doesn’t take a bigot to know that Biden’s performance that night was piss poor and though Trump was, as you said, farming sound bites and nonsense one-liners, appeared a lot more confident and coherent than Biden.

    It’s politics; that shit does matter despite knowing what we know. I felt that we were doomed that night.

    Enough of us felt that way that they got Biden to step down for Kamala to continue the race; it revitalized the democratic party for a while until Biden’s fuck-up campaign team got her to be almost as flat as Biden.

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      2 days ago

      Is that what annointing Kamala did, revitalize the party? Sure buddy.

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        It did revitalize support for the party for a short while, primarily because of some progressive messaging, which the entire electorate (both R and D) responds to really well actually. But then the Harris campaign dropped that and started saying things like that they’re in favor of fracking, started bragging about how Biden kept building Trump’s wall, denying the affordability crisis, saying that the expansion of Israel is very important to the US, and saying that she would ensure America has “the most lethal fighting force in the world” (her words). And the funny thing about those policy positions is that if you believe that that’s the direction the country should be heading in, there was a perfect candidate for you, and it wasn’t Harris. So all they managed to do there is alienate democrats who are politically literate and care about things like the environment, worker’s rights, humane treatment of undocumented immigrants, and not doing a genocide.

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        You misunderstand. I agree Kamala represented everything the wrong the party has and still does. But there’s no doubt the vibes shifted initially when she first entered the race, and had successfully gotten people for a moment to think we had a real shot at winning. That’s what I mean by revitalize.

        It did not last long. I do not sympathize with the diet-maga apologists who put the blame on the voters in a representative democracy. Hence:

        for a while until Biden’s fuck-up campaign team got her to be almost as flat as Biden.

        Edit: unless you mean it should’ve been Buttigieg and Shapiro or something. If that were the case, I’d kindly say go fuck yourself.

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        2 days ago

        I mean it without a doubt did. I’m not sure what reality you were living in.

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          I’m glad you asked, I’m in the reality where Kamala Harris was the most unpopular choice they could possibly choose.

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            She was the most popular candidate by every metric at the time and in hindsight. So I can only assume its not our current reality you’re living in.

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      Its fine to say it wasnt his best preformance or it was a disappointing preformance. Its fine to want him to step down and let Harris run.

      Its not fine judge a debate between presidential candidates off who appears more confident. If you find confidently stating a lie to be convincing then you’re cooked.

      Also there is no argument that trump was more coherent that night. He couldn’t answer a single question on topic and none of his responses even made logical sense Compared to biden who answered every question on topic with an in depth relevant logical reply. A lot of people relive the debate via foxnews clips but thr context behind the clips isnt bad. The “we finally beat Medicare” clip should not be considered an own to anyone over 12.

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        You realize pointing out how bad Trump was makes Biden even worse right? The fact random non sequitur appeared competent next to Biden was massive problem.

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        2 days ago

        Not how world works as right as you may be. Biden, aside from that poor performance (key word) , was an uninspiring candidate that fumbled politically along the way before this debate, and this was the final straw for many people. Politics isn’t as simple as a logical deduction.

        That’s without touching on the good things he did nobody heard about, economically speaking, and the bad things he did a sizable amount of people knew about, that being the failure to uphold international law because of a double standard held for “our greatest ally”