You cannot say “Soviets sided with the Nazis lie" its objectively the truth. You can give reasons and excuses why they did but you cannot say that they didnt. The summary of your argument was Soviets were the only people fighting facism using the spanish civil war as an example. The Soviets were the only ones who saw the threat of Germany and they pursued aliiances to counter hilters rise. The made generous offers of support and it was refused. I dont even get your point about poland its just gross and doesnt help at all. They had to make an alliance with Germany to buy time for them to build up their military.

Overall I think those are pretty weak arguments when you have the full historical context. In order for me to be convinced to your side you would need to make the case that the soviets were genuinely opposed to facism and were not just acting on opportunities that were beneficial with/without ideology. You would need to show that the Soviets attempted to form a diplomatic alliance against the nazis. You would then need to make the case that the USSR was forced into an alliance with the Nazis.

It all falls apart when you start going over the context of each of these events. Look at the soviet motivation for assisting in the civil war, they were paid good for all the support they provided and benefited by gaining and ideological foothold in western europe as well as valuable military testing. Even with all that they couldnt help themselves and were purging the people that were supposed to be on their side during the fight against facisim. Also you completely ignore the fact that the countries around were democracies that were ideologically split and had just gone through a great war.

There is a lot say about this but I really dont want to spend hours digging through all the communications so this is off the dome. Russia is a very very bad faith actor in europe. They had just killed off their entire officier core. The only way they could assist was crossing countries that would absolutely not let them cross and most of Europe knew that once the red army arrived in those countries they’d never leave. To act like they were really pushing for a security pact is weak, there is no reason why any of the western powers should have trusted the soviets there was nothing to gain and they risked escalation in doing so. Keep in mind that the Soviets were also building relations with germany and as they got a deal with germany they dropped Litvinov and divided up europe. At the time this happened there was no threat pushing them to rush into this deal. They liked what they heard from Hitler they liked the idea of working together to carve up europe.

Lastly the soviets didnt just work with germany to buy time, they provided full direct war support to allow germany to wage war against europe. There were no signs that the soviets had any plans to change anything until Hitler backstabbed them.

There is so much more to be said about this argument and many people way smarter than I who have fleshed out this case. I could talk about appeasement but I don’t believe its relevant enough to change any of the points here. I believe this argument is completely settled between scholars and the only people still repeating the soviet side are doing so for ideological reasons and do not care for the historical accuracy.

Sure buddy, the ones who defeated Nazism were allied with the Nazis.

Yes you are almost correct for once. They didnt defeat nazism they helped defeat nazism.It only happened because they were betrayed.

Tell us: what’s your opinion on the ongoing genocide in Palestine at the hands of Isntreal?

ITS BAD.

Address nothing and schizo ramble about WW2 like communists weren’t allied with the nazi’s. “Jews returning to Isreal” is pretty much the exact definition of Zionism as christian evangelicals believe it you dumb cunt.

When I read this discussion on HackerNews they act like they’re trapped and it would require moving the sun and the earth to switch over.

That sounds like the dream.

Isnt codeberg centralized? I worry it will run into the same issue as github. I was checking out Radicle but its cryptic and hard to search for other projects.

Oh god that is so cringe. Just getting into coding i have no idea what to use as an online repo. I dont want to use github because microsoft but i want the basic repo collaboration features to be available cloning, pull requests, issues etc.

This is about Tibetan history over the past 100 years, the only reason they bring up Jews and Epstein is to play into the “Jewish cabal” trope and the conspiracy that secret Jewish elites control American foreign policy.

Its line for line neo Nazi rhetoric. Epstein and Zionism here clearly refers to Jews and not Christians who support Jews returning to isreal.

Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy.

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This investment is only to extract resources to support central china and suppress the Tibetans by increasing surveillance.

America has killed 100 million people thats crazy how did they do that?

Capitalism and capitalists were a major factor in lifting those people out of poverty by the way. credit markets, FDI, private firms, and export growth were all a reform away from communism towards capitalism and western style market economies. Its also lifted people out of poverty all around the world.

I dont like either of these side these people exist to seize power and maintain absolute control over people. They are both terrible which is why im comparing them and not trying to say one of them is actually good/not bad.

All I have to say is CCP propaganda really got people good. yall see a high speed train and a meh healthcare policy and are immediately ready to throw away your freedoms and morals. You’re from Aus you have it better than China, you’re richer, have better housing, better healthcare, better social security, better quality of life. All without needing to put all your trust and future in a Authoritarian leader. You have Albo, id kill to have Albo as PM.

How is it not a fair comparison? They want to remove all minorities - China removed/is removing ~8 different ethnic minorities, they want a surveillance state with total control - China has a surveillance state with total control, they want a full censored media - china has a fully censored media. The other things is they’re willing to do whatever it takes to reach that goal just like china. All their end goals are basically a powerful group of unelected people ruling over everyone with total control. The cope they all tell themselves(including china) is that they’ll be benevolent. I’m sick of seeing people hand wave all this just because they built a train and some houses(btw a lot of houses in china are shit, they’re tiny and fall apart and the ones you actually want are still unaffordable).

Also corporations can operate however they want and that its just an overused meme to cite Dodge v. Ford as forcing them to maximize shareholder value.

Ok but you’d be ok with that since the ends justify the means to you.

Then why make the defense? Why jump in and “um actually this dictatorship was pretty good” if you arent trying to spuiking how fantastic china is. China doesnt have anything that other successful democracies dont have. As it stands China has done far worse than Carp, Thiel, Musk, Vance

Nice, I look forward to viewing the found footage film once the spooky events start going down.

So the ends justify the means? If that’s the case then you basically agreed with these evil cunts because they claim their goals are for the good of people. They are dumb but they aren’t describing a dystopia any more than China is a dystopia.

Personally i wouldn’t go down the chinese route and kill 100 million people just to have the dogshit human rights, labour rights and environmental regulations and go from 50c to $1.20 a day.

You can keep it but you’re gonna get cursed

Thats meaningless, Carp, thiel and musk could say the exact same thing