If America was a person on a raft dying of thirst then we’re at the part where they start gulping down ocean water.
MAGA started drinking the ocean water a long time ago because woke lib science told them it was dangerous.
This also increases pollution
Fucking assholes.
This is stupid. You have to use so much fucking gas to farm those fields. It just adds to the load.
And you simply end up buying more gas because it’s less efficient if your car doesn’t take it. So demand will actually increase. Which makes sense when you realize whose in charge.
How about all those people who paid extra for the cars that burn E85… To get less mpg
Financial literacy is very not common in government… Even less so with the population
Water down the gas, then contaminate the water with in a AI data center. Art of the deal! We will be so much winning you might get tried of all the winner! 🫲🍊🫱
If only AI data centres had to pay $5 a gallon for gasoline to power their equipment and we could use free clean water to power our vehicles.
Theyre going to use distilled water so it’s ok.
Real benefit: Combustion motor life cycle shortened enhancing planned obsolescence for manufacturer product cycles and future sales. Diluted gas is less efficient and despite paying less you’re actually paying more both near and long term. So much winning.
I drive a 2018 wrx with a very modest etune. It’s tuned for longevity as it’s not even an hp gain. This will be difficult to run in my car.
Why? It raises the octane, so you can run more boost easily. It just requires more fuel delivery because it has lower energy density. Are you near injector or fuel pump flow limits?
Fortunately, us Americans suck at math. A consequence of our “world class” public education.
20th percentile, surely
Why would you want a 1/3 pounder when you can have 1/4 pounder
Republicans vote to hide their fuckup at a cost to the American people
Again
However, while the E15 rollout can lower prices, ethanol does contains less energy than gasoline, so eventually with E15, a driver will end up burning more fuel for the same amount of distance, albeit fuel which is slightly cheaper than standard gasoline.
MAGAs are dumb enough to think they’re getting some kind of deal
I’m also concerned a lot of them will drink it.
“I used to only fit $50 of gas in my truck, now I can fit $100. Lol checkmate libs”
Ethanol also rots the internal works of your vehicle so vehicles will disintegrate and people will be forced to buy new vehicles in 2027+ which will all have mandatory big brother spyware.
Most vehicles made past about 2004 are all ethanol safe up to maybe E20. You ideally shouldn’t, but e15 won’t ruin them.
Anything older though… God have mercy on your soul.
Those '90s civics still puttering around finally gonna get put in the grave.
They’d probably just go through a fuel pump and a fresh filter and then be fine lol.
Dude you could run those things off dirty vegetable oil and they’d still go. The only things more indestructible than a '90s Civic is a Corolla from any year.
Or a Hilux. Or a 90s Nokia.
I monitor gas mileage in my truck pretty closely. Even resetting the fuel trims and running a couple tanks, E15 doesn’t really change mine that much over E10, maybe 1 mile per gallon less. Now on the other hand E85 is closer to 5-6mpg less. It all depends on how much less it costs at the time, but overall E15 is slightly cheaper for my use case. Any savings I might have is more than taken away by filling up my equipment, diesel is crazy now and no ethanol gas is right behind it.
They’ll do this but refuse to support renewable energy
Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick, their entire foundation of their wealth is tied up in oil, and even though they’re rich enough to pivot entirely and never feel a difference in their lives, they’re stuck in the sunk cost mentality.
It’s too risky to invest in a brand new industry that’s on shaky legs. Never mind that it stopped being a “new” industry decades ago and has proven it will do quite well, and is thriving. They stopped paying attention to real life many many decades ago. As far as they are concerned, they didn’t have to do any sort of personal growth, so they are woefully out of touch with reality.
Oil is what was there when they (or their parents they inherited wealth from) were kids, so obviously they have to dig their heels in to keep oil from flopping. Anything else is secondary.
Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick…
I’m not gay, but gas is gas…
Just wait until they try to dilute your electricity down to 100V. /s
To be fair, I can’t run my car off of wind power.
But also to be fair, I could be doing so were I enabled to do so.
EDIT: What I mean by this is that I in no way nor have I ever been in a position to purchase an EV. I would love to, but it requires money I simply do not have.
If your wind power charged a battery and you hooked up to it nightly with your electric car, it could. Certainly if the municipal grid uses wind power.
This is literally the exact same kind of thing as USSR-aligned countries would do in the 80s. Back then it was “stupid communism”, but today it’s “glorious capitalism”.
Everyone else votes to dilute Republicans.
You can’t make this shit up…
They support pollution and money. They can’t make money off renewable energy.
They absolutely can, just not as much, and not in the ways they’re used to. They’ve invested heavily in oil based products up to and including fighting many many wars as well as shaping their entire international policy around it.
They could pivot to renewables, something several Democrats started the process of doing, but until the pivot completes their profits would take a nose dive (plus the massive losses from the heavy investment into oil refineries). Even then though the unfortunate crux of the matter is that rare earth metals are an increasingly vital component of all future technology and the biggest deposits of those are all very inconveniently placed from a US perspective (almost exclusively within the territory of countries the US has a somewhat poor relationship with).
You know it’s pretty neat they can use shrinkflation on gasoline sold by the gallon, i didn’t know that was possible!
USA gas? Its already shite.
I don’t think many people on here are into classic cars much, but if they allow more ethanol in gas that’s going to fuck up a pretty large amount of classic cars. Modern fuel lines are plastic to deal with the ethanol and impact resistance. before that we used rubber, and the current widely used (cheap) replacement fuel hose tolerates ethanol at the levels we had well enough for a few years.
So there’s a decent chance this would burn down a bunch of cars (and boats) when the fuel lines dissolve from the ethanol and start spilling gas.
It’s not just classic cars, cars from the 2000s have rubber fuel lines as well.
Oh lord. Are 2000s cars classic cars now? Someone take me out back and shoot me.
In this economy? Bullets aren’t free.
You can just mill around with the rest of us.
My state’s rule:
As used in this section, “historical motor vehicle” means any motor vehicle that is more than twenty-five years old and that …
So a 2000 or 2001 model year car would count now.
25+ years is generally considered classic/historic.
… My only vehicle is from 2012, and there is less than a zero percent chance I can get anything else. I’m so fucked, aren’t I?
Good news, you’re not fucked. Your car has been running on roughly 10-15% ethanol its entire life. If you havnt had problems yet, you likely won’t. Unless they go full stupid and put an absurd amount in of ethanol in, then it won’t effect most cars on the road today.
If you own a classic car and aren’t running ethanol free gas (it exists) then you are a bad car owner.
Or you can just put an ethanol rated carb kit and fuel line in it and not have to worry about it.
Or that. Otherwise you’re just ruining a great car.
How old counts as “classic?” I’ve been using plain ol’ “up to 10%” in my '90…
E10 should be okay but check your owner’s manual or ask someone who knows more.
The main problem with ethanol in rubber fuel lines is that ethanol causes hardening and flaking of the rubber. Long before it ever gets bad enough to leak the little flakes of hardened rubber detatch from the inside of the line and travel down to fuel pumps, injectors, and carburators. Where they clog up all the small metered orifices that regulate the amount of fuel the engine is getting. This can lead to the car just not running or running poorly, to the internal components of the engine breaking or seizing, thus trashing the whole engine.
I thought most of those boats sunk/vehicles burned from the first round of ethanol addition? Any fiberglass fuel tank went to the bottom eventually as I understand it.
If you’re driving a classic car in the middle of a gas crisis, you kinda deserve it, imo. Those things are about the only thing more inefficient than a jacked up pavement princess.
Edit: learned that “classic” has a much broader definition than I thought. Oops.
I drive a car thati bought used over a decade ago. It’s cost effective, paid for and not a gas guzzler. Fuck me though cause I own an old car. One with rubber gas lines.
Did I say “fuck people with slightly older cars”?
I was specifically responding to op complaining about affecting classic cars. It sucks that your slightly older car might be affected by this, but don’t jump into the shade and pretend I threw it at you.
“Classic car” isn’t just some vibe. It’s literally a legal term for cars of a certain age. Depending on the country it refers to >15, >20 or >25 years old cars. That means you can have a relatively fuel efficient car that is considered a classic car.
The first Toyota Prius came out 1997 (29 years ago) and would be considered a classic car today.
Well, I guess that’s what I get for not being a car guy lol. I had no clue that the cutoff was so recent, I thought “classic” was for cars from the last century. TIL.
Just so we’re clear, “the last century“ was 26 years ago…
In my experience, “classic” is over 20, “antique” is over 25.
I’m actually driving my 1971 MGB around these days because I get 55MPG since it has 75ish horsepower and weighs about 2000lbs total lol
That sounds like a fun time lol. I was more envisioning the old school 10 mpg boats from the 70s and 80s.
