unless r is a lot higher than 1, you’re working yourself into an unnecessary panic (and Andean Hantavirus is about 1.2)
No, the last big outbreak was 2.1…
Here, check out an actual source:
In the 2018–2019 Epuyén outbreak, 34 confirmed cases were linked to one index case, with transmission apparently amplified by symptomatic individuals attending >crowded social events, followed by subsequent close-contact transmissions. Epidemiological analysis estimated >an initial median reproductive number of approximately 2.1 before control measures were implemented, >decreasing after isolation, quarantine and active contact tracing.
https://zenodo.org/records/20112944
But hey, maybe you just know more than who release that statement…
Let’s see, that was the checks notes, International Hantavirus Society
Do you believe you know more about Hantavirus than the International Hantavirus Society?
Do you know we have asymptomatic carriers now too?
2.1? And only after close contact and reducing after isolation. Pfft… pathetic. Let me know when it becomes a real epidemic that actually spreads properly. This isn’t worth worrying about.
Hey OP, is there any particular reason you’re trying to scare yourself? Are you prone to overly dramatic outbursts of panic or is this a new thing? Do you need to speak to someone? Are you okay?
Btw. Sister is an epidemiologolst who has worked for WHO previously. Wife is a public health officer. Neither of them are worried.
This is the most public I’ve seen someone who actually understands this is “Andes variant”…
Not just America, but lots of countries are pretending that this is regular Hanta and not the Andes variant.
Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
None of that is true for Andes, and because of that we started studying this variant years ago, because we have no way to fight it, and it could cause a devastating pandemic…
In 2024, the NIH identified several families of viruses — including hantaviruses — that were extremely dangerous and had no effective vaccines or treatments, making them of special concern for their potential to cause a pandemic. To better prepare for future pandemics, the NIH awarded a series of grants through the ReVAMPP program to study these viruses and develop new tools to combat them, including the grant that established the Provident consortium and enabled this latest study. McLellan and other Provident researchers have simultaneously been working to find ways to address other viruses that health officials have identified as especially dangerous in an outbreak, such as measles and Nipah virus.
Like, multiple people are starting to show symptoms on evac flights, they 100% infected everyone on their plane. But we’re only doing two week quarantines after the flight, and it can take 6 weeks for symptoms and transmission
We’re fucking it all up again and no one cares, maybe we’ll get lucky, but I don’t think so.
Edit:
One Italian started displaying symptoms on the evac flight…
One Spanish passenger showed symptoms of the flight (but at least used containment pods)…
One French passenger…
Two US passengers…
But we’re all still just doing two week quarantine, this is 100% getting out into the general public.
I fucking hate being Cassandra
We use WHO guidelines here, putting the passengers who were brought home in at least 42 days of quarantine. The US, though, now that is a different thing. Maybe they’ll try injecting bleach, like “the greatest mind ever” suggested…
By the way, our media definitely do inform people that this is a human-to-human transferable virus. Although this was already clear when they mentioned the Andes strain a few days ago.
Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
From what I’ve read, the human to human transmission requires very close contact. I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.
What?
What are you reading?
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.
All of that is about Hanta in general and true for 99.99% variants…
But not the Andes variant that everyone is talking about
Jesus fucking Christ dude, you’re literally doing what the video is saying is the problem…
Even if you didn’t watch the video, presumably you read the comment you replied to
I need to understand why you don’t get this so I can help you and others understand it, and obviously my last comment didn’t work.
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
That’s wrong.
This spread is usually limited to people who have close contact with a sick person. This includes direct physical contact, prolonged time spent in close or enclosed spaces, and exposure to the sick person’s body fluids.
Instead of being alarmist, spend some more time reading.
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/about/andesvirus.html
It’s not accepted that Andes can transmit person-person. There are some papers that claim this, poorly done.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34515290/
Cruise industry is trying to distract from a chronic problem they have with fecal-oral viral transmission and food infected with rodent feces and urine.
Ok, calm down. Chill, relax, take a breath.
First, none of this:
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
Was in the comment I replied to.
Apparently it was in the video, but I am not able to watch the video right now. But even if these claims are in the video, that doesn’t necessarily make them true or accurate. And frankly, it would be nice if you offered some kind of substantiation for these incredible claims beyond “watch this YouTube video.” Any kind of credible source.
The video is Joseph Allen, Professor of Exposure Assessment Science at Harvard University, directly explaining his research and communications directly with the doctor on the cruise ship. I’m not sure you can find a more credible source. It’s not edited clips or anything. A news program invited him on, handed him a mic, and then just let him talk. No leading questions or anything even.
First, none of this:
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
Was in the comment I replied to.
It literally was…
Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
None of that is true for Andes,
I’m genuinely asking because everyone deserves to hear this in a way they understand…
Is the way I wrote that Andes is respiratory, it’s transmissionable to humans, and a big deal just not comprehendable?
Because I’m already dialing it down a lot, and the issue is if I dial it down too much, there’s no more “why” for why we should be concerned.
If you so finally understand this, can you phrase it in a way that you would have understood immediately?
Edit:
It’s “respiratory” right?
That means “what we use to breathe” if that is infected, then it can be spread through your mouth holes…
And not require physical contact.
Why is this so difficult?
I only took you off my blocklist because everyone deserves to hear about this, but I’m already starting to figure out why I had to do that now.
And frankly, it would be nice if you offered some kind of substantiation for these incredible claims beyond “watch this YouTube video.” Any kind of credible source.
I fucking did…
I watched the whole video and several times Allen says “… the overall threat to the general public is low”. He also says “we know very little about the transmission” and “this is not going to be a Covid blow up”.
Yes, we should take this seriously. But please don’t be overly dramatic when there simply aren’t enough details available yet.
If one guy on the Titanic said “maybe we shouldn’t hit the iceberg headon”
That doesn’t mean we’re being careful.
We’re still headed straight at the iceberg, one guy saying maybe not to didn’t change anything.
He thinks that people will understand the difference and start treating this like the Andes variant, and that will happen when it’s still just isolated cases and we’ll be able to handle it…
I don’t trust America’s government agencies run by people like RFK Jr to make the right calls.
I think the gov will fuck it up, and that makes this go beyond the few isolated cases he’s hoping it stops at
How much faith do you have in RFK jr to handle this probably? How long do you think before he puts the raccoon penis down and gets directly involved in this?
None of your claims about transmissibility are in the article you linked to. That article is all about protein complex imaging.
The source for the claims seems to be the video. Fine. I understand the person in the video is highly accredited. I will watch it when I am able.
Block me, I don’t give a shit.
The problem is, you’re repeating dangerous scientific misinformation…
That could very likely result in actual deaths if anyone is naive enough to listen to you.
If you can’t understand this, can you at least stop making confident sounding comments that contain dangerous scientific misinformation?
I don’t know why I blocked you before, but this time you’re causing actual human suffering and death, it’s not just you or if anyone can help you understand.
It’s now about making sure you stop spreading misinformation that will lead to death and suffering
I have him tagged as “idiot” and looking at his comments here, I’m once again 100% certain that he is one.
Jfc the alarmist bullshit your smearing around because you watched a video BY THE FEAR MONGERING NEWS MEDIA WHOSE SOLE DESIRE IS TO CAUSE RAMPANT FEAR AND ANGER TO TRICK YOU INTO BEING GLUED TO THE NEWS
Your not a misinformation-quelling crusader, your a misinformed alarmist panicking at the drop of a hat because you don’t know shit
Calm the fuck down. We all got traumatized by COVID but this is not COVID and if you actually did any real digging outside of garbage US media you would find the global fucking consensus is that you need to shut the fuck up because the risk is very low
The amount of people who think they know everything in the modern age and then go shouting from the rooftops like they’re going to be the saviour of humanity is too damn high
You do not know how to find credible sources, you do not do enough digging and gathering of opinions, you are the fucking problem, posting on c/videos to soapbox like you know dickb
However bad its going to be, i already see the billionaires happily preparing, hoping for a pandemic that will wipe out half of humanity so that they can rule the world as kings after that or some stupid shit.
OP, don’t panic. Evidence shows human too human transmission is rare, and although this is not 100% conclusive, there is no airborn transmission so nowhere near corona spread is expected. It can mutate though, so if our American friends volunteer their country as an incubator again, we certainly should close your borders. ;)
None of what you just said is accurate for the Andes variant, which is the entire point of the video you didn’t watch or any of the comments you didn’t read…
That is exactly right for the Andes variant. Please calm down there panic.
Ivermectin and ingesting Lysol will protect you.
They got away with bullshit that didn’t work but made people feel safe last time because with proper medical treatment COVID mortality was like 0.1%.
Andes has a 40.0% mortality rate with proper medical care…
400x as many deaths as COVID if we end up with the same number of infected…
And from what we’re seeing, this newest Andes variant is a shit ton more transmissible than even normal Andes. So if it takes off, it’ll overload hospitals faster and for longer.
Like, last time they essentially used “thoughts and prayers” and most people got by off chance. If they do that again, we’re all fucked
Like even in this video, the guy is operating under the assumption governments will realize the difference in time and start handling it appropriately…
But there is zero logical reasons to think that, they’re not going to take rational and logical steps at any point, especially in America where trump and RFK Jr are in charge.
They’re gonna ignore the problem and hope it just goes away. And I honestly hope it works, I just think we shouldn’t leave it to chance
Maybe those of us peons that survive will get the same benefit the survivors of the black death got, then again probably not. I remember our federal medical officer saying so convincingly that covid (corona) would not mutate very fast, I sat staring at my pc looking at that line for about 5 mins wondering in what world that virus didn’t mutate fast, which of course it did
Like even in this video, the guy is operating under the assumption governments will realize the difference in time and start handling it appropriately…
Not with the current government. They may start to act when members of their circles start to drop like flies, though.
I hope that Biontec are already at work on this one…
Don’t forget the crucial lightbulb up the ass.
Mine keep breaking, can you suggest any strong brands?
Just use a mason jar first and you can slip the lightbulb in and out as easy as pie!
Heritage Foundation right now is partying. This is how they cull Americans en masse.
Oh well.
I work at a hospital in the US. Guess I’m fucked.
Well maybe it will kill off enough powerful people early on that something can be done about it.
Send in RFK jr. for a photo op to reassure us it’s no big deal. Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys.
Given the way that man has lived his life it wouldn’t surprise me if he was actually immune somehow, and that would just make matters worse
November is right around the corner but I kinda don’t want to lose this opportunity….
I get that you are joking, but for that to happen hundreds of millions of people are going to die. Is that what you want?
If it’s only Trump voters affected, I’m okay with that
Agreed, but I knew a 12 year old girl that died of covid. Anecdotal, sure, but it doesn’t feel that way when it’s someone around you.
With the way media is portraying this situation, we are somewhere in between “this happens from time-to-time” and “half the population on Earth is about to die”.
we are somewhere in between “this happens from time-to-time” and “half the population on Earth is about to die”.
To be fair…
Those are not mutually exclusive
Damn, that’s true.
Project 2025 talks about getting rid of 100 million Americans, this will probably accomplish their goal and then some.
Maybe read press outside of USA?
First article here mentions the specific version of the virus;
And funnily enough it also specifies that the USA is again doing USA stuff and not following the OMS reco;
And that’s from a shitty right wing newspaper.
I just read this Ars article that points out it’s the Andes variant. The author is a doctor of Microbiology and seems pretty nonplussed about the virus
I’m not knowledgeable enough to assess it myself but indeed WHO / OMS doesn’t seems that plussed about it. They just apply sound precautions. Though as far as I remember from COVID back then they were nonplussed as well until if was way too late.
So let’s wait and see and hope those precautions will be enough.
A big difference with this strain of hantavirus is it’s not a novel virus; this strain is endemic to South America and previous outbreaks have been studied and contained. That said, every infection does pose the risk of mutation.
Im not even sure what he’s reading in the US. Everything I’ve been reading in the US is saying the same things, calling out the strain and how it can spread person to person.
Initial reporting did have some caveats before they were certain it was the Andes strain, but that makes sense when the initial news was breaking.
Maybe it’s time to finish my “space suit” I just hope filters I can get would do anything
Someone who looked into this deeper tell me why Allen seems so sure it won’t be anywhere near covid spread when it’s so easily transmitted. What’s the difference here?
See, last time trump wanted to get his hands in it and didn’t let Anthony Fauci take common sense steps…
This time trump has so much shit going on he likely doesn’t even know this is a thing.
So he’s going to let the people with decades of experience follow established procedure and take logical steps to minimize infection.
Yep, everything will be fine because the director of HHS will be able to handle this with essentially zero oversight…
/S
This is the director of HHS btw:
It’s not a particularly satisfying answer, but contagious diseases jumping to humans and causing small outbreaks is not a particularly uncommon event. Most of the time, those outbreaks die out without becoming a large scale pandemic. This is due to both nature, and significant investments in global contagious disease response infrastructure.
Saying a given outbreak is probably not going to be as bad as covid is probably correct, because most aren’t.
I should also mention that the public health infrastructure that normally prevents epidemics has been significantly weakened over the past few years. This does tilt the table towards pandemic.
Babe wake up another scamdemic grift just got announced
Fucking hell, after all these years?
First one didn’t fully take sorry mate that’ll be a 70% CoL increase
