Edit: To be clear: I prefer socialism. Not whatever feelgood capitalism, but make it green on the left is.
The PRC has a socialist market economy, not “feelgood capitalism.” The commanding heights of industry are publicly owned, the working classes have control of the state, and this combination is what allows for the PRC’s strong movements towards electrification, combatting desertification, and uplifting the working classes. China in many ways is advancing towards what Solarpunks reportedly want, a green economy directed towards working class interests.
“The working classes have control of the state” good one lmao. They have so much control that millions protesting in HK just got violently beaten back and ignored.
Have a source for this that isn’t organisers puffing themselves up?
Edit: people crying about HK specifically being pro 2019 riots just shows they have very little understanding beyond a hate for China (and most likely Chinese people). A man (Chan Tong-kai) murdered his pregnant girlfriend (Amber Poon Hiu-wing) in Taipei. Returned to HK and admitted to it to the authorities but because of a loophole in the law could only be charged with money laundering for stealing her stuff after he murdered her. The government then went to fix the loophole as any government should which the colonial brained “democratic alliances” seized upon. If you are pro leaving gaping holes in the law for murders to get away without any consequences you are a bastard even if you pretend it’s all for the greater good (in your mind) of a recolonised HK.
The HK riots were western-backed, fighting to remain under British colonialism. Since the HK riots, things have cooled down considerably, with the majoriry favoring the transition due to improving economic conditions and the benefits of being better-integrated into the socialist economy of China.
I definetly want socialism. But that shit on the left is nothing, but corporate feel-good green capitalism, not worker’s control over the means of production.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations. It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations.
You’re jumping to conclusions. I never told you how I think the transition to socialism is supposed to ocmur, yet you claim that I think it will “magically” happen. You’re fighting strawmen.
It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project.
Good thing I believe that a transitional period is necessary, then. Yet you seem to believe that there is only one correct way to enact that transitional period, which I find incredibly naive. Pretty much as naive as trying to negate means-ends unity. Especially since there have been multiple examples of socialism-aligned projects that don’t follow the ML/MLM-model.
Also, there’s nothing magical about prefiguration, either.
Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
I want to come back to my original point: the picture on the left is nothing but eco-virtue signaling and completely compatible with bourgeois ideology. So nothing new for the so-called PRC.
I’d prefer neither.
Edit: To be clear: I prefer socialism. Not whatever feelgood capitalism, but make it green on the left is.
The PRC has a socialist market economy, not “feelgood capitalism.” The commanding heights of industry are publicly owned, the working classes have control of the state, and this combination is what allows for the PRC’s strong movements towards electrification, combatting desertification, and uplifting the working classes. China in many ways is advancing towards what Solarpunks reportedly want, a green economy directed towards working class interests.
“The working classes have control of the state” good one lmao. They have so much control that millions protesting in HK just got violently beaten back and ignored.
Have a source for this that isn’t organisers puffing themselves up?
Edit: people crying about HK specifically being pro 2019 riots just shows they have very little understanding beyond a hate for China (and most likely Chinese people). A man (Chan Tong-kai) murdered his pregnant girlfriend (Amber Poon Hiu-wing) in Taipei. Returned to HK and admitted to it to the authorities but because of a loophole in the law could only be charged with money laundering for stealing her stuff after he murdered her. The government then went to fix the loophole as any government should which the colonial brained “democratic alliances” seized upon. If you are pro leaving gaping holes in the law for murders to get away without any consequences you are a bastard even if you pretend it’s all for the greater good (in your mind) of a recolonised HK.
The HK riots were western-backed, fighting to remain under British colonialism. Since the HK riots, things have cooled down considerably, with the majoriry favoring the transition due to improving economic conditions and the benefits of being better-integrated into the socialist economy of China.
that’s just choosing the capitalist way with extra steps in practice as the history of western left clearly demonstrates
Removed by mod
Ah, the mythical third way that the compatible left keeps talking about, but has never been seen to work in practice in over a century.
I definetly want socialism. But that shit on the left is nothing, but corporate feel-good green capitalism, not worker’s control over the means of production.
No, you just want fantasies as opposed to actual existing socialism in the real world.
So worker’s ownership of the means of production is a “fantasy” for you? So you agree that you’re not a socialist. Cool
The bullshit on the left can all be found in western, capitalist countries. It’s nothing, but ecologic virtue signaling.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations. It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
You’re jumping to conclusions. I never told you how I think the transition to socialism is supposed to ocmur, yet you claim that I think it will “magically” happen. You’re fighting strawmen.
Good thing I believe that a transitional period is necessary, then. Yet you seem to believe that there is only one correct way to enact that transitional period, which I find incredibly naive. Pretty much as naive as trying to negate means-ends unity. Especially since there have been multiple examples of socialism-aligned projects that don’t follow the ML/MLM-model.
Also, there’s nothing magical about prefiguration, either.
Lol. Projection much, comrade “prefiguration equals magic”?
I want to come back to my original point: the picture on the left is nothing but eco-virtue signaling and completely compatible with bourgeois ideology. So nothing new for the so-called PRC.