I definetly want socialism. But that shit on the left is nothing, but corporate feel-good green capitalism, not worker’s control over the means of production.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations. It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations.
You’re jumping to conclusions. I never told you how I think the transition to socialism is supposed to ocmur, yet you claim that I think it will “magically” happen. You’re fighting strawmen.
It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project.
Good thing I believe that a transitional period is necessary, then. Yet you seem to believe that there is only one correct way to enact that transitional period, which I find incredibly naive. Pretty much as naive as trying to negate means-ends unity. Especially since there have been multiple examples of socialism-aligned projects that don’t follow the ML/MLM-model.
Also, there’s nothing magical about prefiguration, either.
Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
I want to come back to my original point: the picture on the left is nothing but eco-virtue signaling and completely compatible with bourgeois ideology. So nothing new for the so-called PRC.
You told me you reject existing socialist projects, and we have not seen any viable alternative demonstrated in over a century. So, yes, you very clearly are suggesting a magical alternative here.
And no, I don’t believe there is one correct way to enact a transitional period. This is just a straw man you’re making to avoid engaging with what’s being said to you. What I believe is that there is one DEMONSTRATED way to do this, and that nobody has shown a viable alternative. If there was a workable alternative then we could discuss it. It does not exist.
You want to come back to your original point of rejecting real working socialism that’s tangibly improving people’s lives in China in favor of some mythical idea that you’re evidently unable to articulate. Go troll elsewhere.
that’s just choosing the capitalist way with extra steps in practice as the history of western left clearly demonstrates
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Ah, the mythical third way that the compatible left keeps talking about, but has never been seen to work in practice in over a century.
I definetly want socialism. But that shit on the left is nothing, but corporate feel-good green capitalism, not worker’s control over the means of production.
No, you just want fantasies as opposed to actual existing socialism in the real world.
So worker’s ownership of the means of production is a “fantasy” for you? So you agree that you’re not a socialist. Cool
The bullshit on the left can all be found in western, capitalist countries. It’s nothing, but ecologic virtue signaling.
No, the fantasy is that you’re magically going to end up in a worker ownership utopia going from the current capitalist relations. It’s incredible that somebody could be so infantile as to think there wouldn’t be some sort of a transition period after the working class takes power and has to fight against the dominant capitalist empire that tries to extinguish every socialist project. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent.
You’re jumping to conclusions. I never told you how I think the transition to socialism is supposed to ocmur, yet you claim that I think it will “magically” happen. You’re fighting strawmen.
Good thing I believe that a transitional period is necessary, then. Yet you seem to believe that there is only one correct way to enact that transitional period, which I find incredibly naive. Pretty much as naive as trying to negate means-ends unity. Especially since there have been multiple examples of socialism-aligned projects that don’t follow the ML/MLM-model.
Also, there’s nothing magical about prefiguration, either.
Lol. Projection much, comrade “prefiguration equals magic”?
I want to come back to my original point: the picture on the left is nothing but eco-virtue signaling and completely compatible with bourgeois ideology. So nothing new for the so-called PRC.
You told me you reject existing socialist projects, and we have not seen any viable alternative demonstrated in over a century. So, yes, you very clearly are suggesting a magical alternative here.
And no, I don’t believe there is one correct way to enact a transitional period. This is just a straw man you’re making to avoid engaging with what’s being said to you. What I believe is that there is one DEMONSTRATED way to do this, and that nobody has shown a viable alternative. If there was a workable alternative then we could discuss it. It does not exist.
You want to come back to your original point of rejecting real working socialism that’s tangibly improving people’s lives in China in favor of some mythical idea that you’re evidently unable to articulate. Go troll elsewhere.