cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/news/p/1395876/streamer-troll-johnny-somali-found-guilty-on-all-counts-sentenced-to-south-korean-prison-l
Ramsey Khalid Ismael — better known as Johnny Somali, the infamous American streamer arrested in Japan, Israel, and South Korea for his provocative behavior — has been imprisoned in South Korea.
Good, these are the types of guys that go “It’s just a prank bro” or “It’s a social experiment” except it isn’t. It’s just you being an inconsiderate jerk.
There are a lot of enablers, the viewers that find all that bullshit funny. Guilty by association, I suppose
like, fuck people who watch these absolute shitheads, but I don’t really buy that. people look at car crashes. i don’t think reckless drivers are “enabled”.
I don’t think a car crash is an apt comparison in this case, that is usually an accident and not something easy to ignore and pretend it didn’t happen - it affects everyone who wants to use the road where the crash happened. Nobody is clapping and cheering.
What this asshole does isn’t an accident, it’s intentional. People follow him expecting bullshit and praising him for that. He’s akin to people who like to drive recklessly and post and brag about it online.
I think the viewers of streams like his should get a swift kick in the nuts or vag and maybe kept from reproducing because nobody consuming his content is a good person.
Like, you’re right the streamers getting money by acting like assholes are only making money because of the audience. Said audience members are just as shitty as people.
Hopefully they are just young and dumb and will grow up and get smarter. But yeah, they could just be shit.
yeah, the kind that sets you on fire, shoots your wife and sells your children to Epstein, then goes “it’s just a prank bro”.
There’s tons of light-hearted, harmless pranks out there. A good laugh where everyone goes away a little bit happier.
This guy and his ilk on the other hand intentionally antagonise people to the point where they feel the need to defend themselves. Just because someone is out and about in public doesn’t mean they’re a free target for you to be shitty with them. Everyone has - or at least should have - the right to be unbothered in public by leeches like him.
People should also have the right to fight back with extreme prejudice if these morons lay hands on them first.
100% - but I meant the self defense part when they haven’t actually touched you, just gotten to the point where their actions can constitute harassment.
The defence would be that they felt their lives were being threatened by the persistent harrassment.
And given there was no physicality, that court case could go either way…
The point I’m trying to make is that people should be free of prosecution if they are being aggressively harassed, both physical and verbal. It used to be, you ran your mouth, you would get a punch in the face to knock some sense back into you. Immediate consequences for stupidity.
People who say “violence is never the answer” probably never got bullied or harassed themselves.
They’ll moralize about “just tell on them!” But that doesn’t do anything, and the harassment only gets worse after that.
Throughout my life, I’ve consistently gotten in more trouble for sticking up for myself than I’ve ever seen my bullies or harassers get in. It’s like the system wants us all to be pushovers and peons, not deserving even the ground beneath our feet. Or maybe I’ve just been tagged from birth as a “peasant” and therefore never been allowed to have a spine.
But honestly, you can see how much damage this is doing to society. “Violence is never the answer” means we have to tolerate intolerance. It gives free license to bigotry, and forces us to appease.
Violence was certainly the answer back in WWII. Nobody was gonna stop the Nazis simply by asking nicely.
But for decades now, people haven’t even been allowed to fight their bullies. And it shows…
Anyone who was ever bullied, and then fought back, knows this.
Don’t be pushovers, kids.
Oh I agree. I’m just pointing out that currently, courts require physicality to happen for an overwhelming majority of physical self defense responses.
Yeah, still doesn’t deserve slavery for it
I interpret this as a nastier form of community service. He didn’t get the three year sentence, he got six months. He also partly brought this upon himself, as per the article when he was bragging online about how he wouldn’t serve a day in jail. They decided to make an example of him. Also, any South Koreans that I have met are unfailingly nice people, but in their core, they are a hard and pragmatic people.
You’re defending slavery here. It’s the same problem with the US system.
I’m not saying prison time isn’t warranted, just that slavery is not an appropriate form of punishment or rehabilitation.
That’s the tricky part about having morals is they extend to people I don’t like like this guy.
I’m not defending slavery at all. I’m just attempting to explain why it is. Attempting moral relativism, because South Korea has a unique history and people which led to the way they interpret their punishment system.
You must understand the American South had a unique history and people which led to the way they…
My wife and stepdaughter are from Africa, I understand the racism. Have you ever considered that I was mocking extreme moral relativism? My question is, why are you passing judgement on the South Koreans?
For the record, I think that the Scandinavian model of rehabilitation is the best way to work with most prisoners.
I pass judgments on all governments when it comes to violating human dignity.
You try to make this a race thing is fucking weird. I’m judging a government’s actions not the entire population of South Korea.
And when it comes to human rights I take an absolutionist stance on morality. Slavery is never okay
Incidentally, what did you do to stop Donald Trump?
The way a people’s government is shaped and interpreted is a direct result of the collective experience of that culture, therefore what I am saying is relevant. Did you read the last sentence of my previous comment? That’s what I really think.
Edit to add that I agree that slavery is wrong. My original statement was about how things came to be, not to pass any particular judgement on it.