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reposting to see how much the lemmyverse has learned since the last time: https://lemmy.ml/post/7927508
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your hat is red
pigs are blue
all cops are bastards
and so are you
FTP
Wait let me predict the various responses that will be found from the lemmy liberals
“If everyone voted blue[MAGA] there would only be a little genocide and human rights violations”
“SlAvA UkrANi” (showing support for nazis)
“but but but china/russia bad!”
“BoTh ThInGs”
“BlueMAGA” is a false equivalence derived from horseshoe fallacy. The crazy fringe of Democrats aren’t as numerous, nor as influential, nor as crazy, as MAGA.
If you have actual criticisms of Democrats, go ahead and make them, but constructing this “equal and opposite” both-sides trash is a thought terminating cliche.
No it isn’t derived from horseshoe fallacy because the dems arent left. They’re far right warhawks who openly support genocide. They have an “America first” mindset, believe in “American exceptionalism”, are zionists to the marrow of their bones, believe in militarization, warfare, built concentration camps for migrants and have people chanting “blue no matter who”. They are the exact same party in a different color with an even stupider mascot.
“bluemaga” is an observation that no, democrats are not the opposite of republicans.
they are fascist imperialists just like republicans. the difference is they are polite and charismatic.
the difference is they are polite and charismatic
Well, and less genocide and human rights abuse, as even the person I replied to could admit.
i don’t see anyone admitting to anything, just you being insistent. your country has been genociding and abusing human rights for decades under democrats and republicans pretty much equally. i can’t think of a single recent us president that wasn’t a war criminal.
can you?
i can’t think of a single recent us president that wasn’t a war criminal.
That doesn’t make all war criminals equal. Two things can both be morally reprehensible and one still a clear advantage over the other.
i support the smol bean democratic US presidents war crimes
do you not listen to yourself or??
just wow
I know, same
That doesn’t make all feces equal. Two shits can be disgusting and one can still be clearly more tasty than the other
The name is a bit misleading, as they’re not reactionaries who want to go back to an imaginary idealized past, but conservatives who want to conserve the past status quo. They’re more like Blue Make A Keep Being Imperialist.
But their strategy is really “interesting”. If they convince enough people that they’re still a powerful empire, their empire will magically stay strong (bending reality to their will, idealism logic, jedi logic).
Now there’s two kinds of people that they hate: people who powerfully fight back and therefore show the empire’s weaknesses (russians and iranians), and people who notice the empire’s material weakness and try to do something about it (fascists).
Both show the material reality that the empire is weak, so both (including their supporters) are considered traitors to the idealist imperialist cause. That’s where all the trump = putin bullshit comes from.
Idealist magic supposedly only works if every imperial citizen (the other people have already been dehumanized and therefore don’t count) believes in it, that’s why radlibs become so angry at nonbelievers. “If only the nonbelievers would all believe, we could have genocided russia with our minds alone long ago”, they think.
Then the question becomes, why don’t they just murder the nonbelievers? They try, by trying to convince everyone that the nonbelievers are dumb and lesser and all sorts of things, but that just doesn’t kill them irl.
I have no idea what you’re talking about
lol the Democrats and Republicans ARE the same. Their foreign policies are the exact same.
And I don’t give one single fuck about domestic policies, all it does is say that Americans care more about their own comfort and will allow the killing and exploitation of poorer countries for that to happen.
The crazy fringe of Democrats aren’t as numerous, nor as influential, nor as crazy, as MAGA.
That’s focusing on the decorum over all else. You don’t think that the reputation of the US and the chaos is all Trump or Republicans… do you?
lol the Democrats and Republicans ARE the same. Their foreign policies are the exact same.
Just blatantly untrue, even the person I replied to could admit there would at least be less genocide and human rights abuse.
That’s focusing on the decorum over all else
Not at all, nice strawman though. Crazy and influential refers to political goals and political power
there would at least be less genocide and human rights abuse.
Please look at all the shit Obama did, including authorizing killing random civilians in neutral countries and destroying Libya.
Biden gave a green light for the extermination of Palestinians in Gaza.
To us in the global south the difference isn’t that big beyond aesthetics. I don’t feel reassured if a democrat is in office because we’ll be hit hard with IMF extortion starving our children, forcing us to give our resources and do a regime change or an invasion if we refuse, and other bullshit like that whether there’s a democrat there or not.
But for the sake of argument, let’s pretend the democrats are substantially better abroad. Harris campaigned on having the most lethal army, democrats being the toughest on the border and continuing the genocide in Gaza. If they aren’t willing to do anything better than that then they don’t deserve anyone’s votes.
I didn’t say Democrats are good, I said they’re better.
If they aren’t willing to do anything better than that then they don’t deserve anyone’s votes.
I dunno, I think if even a single life is saved by voting for a Democrat, that would have been worth it.
There are things America does, which is bad and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of, and there are ways Republicans are much worse. American imperialism will not be undone in a single election, and refusing to partake in incremental progress (or at least harm reduction) is throwing away any impact you could have in the system. Well, not you, but there are marginalized groups interior to the United States which face more oppression under Trump than they ever would under Harris, and saying their lives and suffering don’t matter because “America gonna America” is just cold blooded. It’s a really basic trolley problem and I have problems with the people who think they’re above pulling a lever because both tracks have bodies on them.
Yes America bad, and yes Democrats bad, but sometimes they’re the best choice available.
