reposting to see how much the lemmyverse has learned since the last time: https://lemmy.ml/post/7927508

the ultimate police state - ‘security’ is one of their top exports

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    7 hours ago

    lol the Democrats and Republicans ARE the same. Their foreign policies are the exact same.

    And I don’t give one single fuck about domestic policies, all it does is say that Americans care more about their own comfort and will allow the killing and exploitation of poorer countries for that to happen.

    The crazy fringe of Democrats aren’t as numerous, nor as influential, nor as crazy, as MAGA.

    That’s focusing on the decorum over all else. You don’t think that the reputation of the US and the chaos is all Trump or Republicans… do you?

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      lol the Democrats and Republicans ARE the same. Their foreign policies are the exact same.

      Just blatantly untrue, even the person I replied to could admit there would at least be less genocide and human rights abuse.

      That’s focusing on the decorum over all else

      Not at all, nice strawman though. Crazy and influential refers to political goals and political power

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        there would at least be less genocide and human rights abuse.

        Please look at all the shit Obama did, including authorizing killing random civilians in neutral countries and destroying Libya.

        Biden gave a green light for the extermination of Palestinians in Gaza.

        To us in the global south the difference isn’t that big beyond aesthetics. I don’t feel reassured if a democrat is in office because we’ll be hit hard with IMF extortion starving our children, forcing us to give our resources and do a regime change or an invasion if we refuse, and other bullshit like that whether there’s a democrat there or not.

        But for the sake of argument, let’s pretend the democrats are substantially better abroad. Harris campaigned on having the most lethal army, democrats being the toughest on the border and continuing the genocide in Gaza. If they aren’t willing to do anything better than that then they don’t deserve anyone’s votes.

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          I didn’t say Democrats are good, I said they’re better.

          If they aren’t willing to do anything better than that then they don’t deserve anyone’s votes.

          I dunno, I think if even a single life is saved by voting for a Democrat, that would have been worth it.

          There are things America does, which is bad and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of, and there are ways Republicans are much worse. American imperialism will not be undone in a single election, and refusing to partake in incremental progress (or at least harm reduction) is throwing away any impact you could have in the system. Well, not you, but there are marginalized groups interior to the United States which face more oppression under Trump than they ever would under Harris, and saying their lives and suffering don’t matter because “America gonna America” is just cold blooded. It’s a really basic trolley problem and I have problems with the people who think they’re above pulling a lever because both tracks have bodies on them.

          Yes America bad, and yes Democrats bad, but sometimes they’re the best choice available.