For what it’s worth, successfully removing Trump using the 25th amendment would be much harder than impeaching him and removing him.
Impeachment and removal requires only a majority in the house, then a 2/3rds majority in the senate. That 2/3rds is almost impossible unless there are huge defections from the MAGA side.
The 25th requires first that Vance and the majority of Trump’s cabinet declare that he’s unfit. That’s going to be a massive hurdle already because he’s packed his cabinet with people who are loyal above anything else, including competence. If you managed that, all it would take for Trump to resume being president was that he declared he was capable of resuming the job. He’d be tweeting that out within the hour. To override that would require a 2/3rds vote in both the house and the senate. So all the barriers that exist to impeachment and more.
The 25th was designed for a case when the president was dead or dying. It’s also handy in cases where the president has to undergo surgery and will be medically sedated for a while. It was never designed to take power away from a madman, at least not from one who was sane enough to resist in any way.
I don’t think I want Trump removed.
If JD Vance becomes president, it will give conservatives more credibility towards the party because Vance would be even more competent in enacting fascist politicies.
Removed is the wrong word. Elvis is good. Robert-François Damiens is better.
Has she even once acknowledged that her actions led to this? If she apologizes, I might take her seriously, but fuck her otherwise.
She did. In maybe her first interview in her “heel turn” with Dana Bash on CNN if you wonna see it. She did use the word “sorry” for how she acted before Trumps ire was directed at her and called her a traitor. Yes, there’s the whole “not a problem til it happens to me” angle to it, but you gotta take the victory where you can.
Right? Woohoo we got Cheney everyone
She always has and always will be bat shit crazy. Doesn’t mean she’s incapable of realizing trumps destroying our country, or that he took a once respected nation and fully converted it into a circus act. I will say it is good to see "MAGA"s turn on their overlord, no matter how much sense they do or don’t have.
Too late, fake ass cunt.
only 13 Dems doing the same. The rest must be primaried.
I mean we could have used more sitting Republicans turning against MAGA, but go off queen. Thanks for vacating your seat.
Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Candace Owen and others have now called for the 25th amendment too. It’s a wild day.
As wild as it is, it’s not super surprising either. Republicans are about to get their asses handed to them in the mid-terms and Trump isn’t eligible to run in 2028. So at some point, they need to distance themselves from Trump and pretend they never liked him in the first place (see George W).
The only thing a little surprising is it’s happening now and not in 2029 after losing the next presidential election.
After losing the election and successfully couping the shit out of DC this time
What do you even say anymore. I hit my expressive limit very early on into this presidency and now it’s hard to express anything because every thing is so beyond the pale. All i can say is im surprised its gotten this far and i would like to get off this wild ride.
Say? I mean, I got this good lemon vodka I can pick up if you want to ride it out at my place. We (and I mean us. Like California) got maybe a five percent chance of being nuked by Krasnov so like, smoke it if you got it. It’s 8 est right?
This whole thing has proven the system doesn’t work
System isnt broken the people are. They voted for this. Hopefully they see that voting actually has massive consequences and take it a bit more seriously but they’ll probably vote in another populist retard
Vance is waiting for January so Vance can do two more terms for a total of a decade…
But we need to try to hold all of trump’s admin accountable for this shitshow. They’re the ones actually steering trump and still doing their own evil shit.
But Vance has to be the one to invoke the 25th, he just needs the majority of trump’s cabinet with him. And absolutely nothing will make him do it a couple months early, because then he misses out on a four year term he thinks he can get.
Like, fuck it, charge him under “dereliction of duty” and for fairness do the same thing to Biden’s admin who we’re doing the same thing when he was in office.
Flush em all out, otherwise they’ll hang around politics for decades.
Vance is waiting for January so Vance can do two more terms for a total of a decade…
I see this as total, baseless cope. Vance was carried into office by Trump and has minimal popularity with Republicans – while Democrats despise him. If Vance were seeking power, he would know the 25th (not necessarily Section 4) would be his only chance at the presidency. If Trump is allowed to fuck everything up for two years, then Vance swoops in and says “I declare
bankruptcythe 25th!”, it’s somehow successful, and he’s left barely cleaning up Trump’s mess for two years, he may have a shot in the primaries, but he has none in the general. The guy has the charisma and likeability of a wet sock, and he knows it.That is, it’s the exact opposite: if Vance were seeking power by usurping his way to the presidency, now would be the opportune time to do it; he’d have the most time, and the iron is getting red-hot.
I think this perspective is the real copium. Vance’s performance in the VP debate righted the ship for the Trump campaign. Trump’s rock-solid 38% will vote for anyone with an R.
Vance lacks the showmanship, but he makes up for it by either pretending his terrible agenda is not true or actually agreeable to the center-right. Most know Trump is crazy. Even his more adoring fans will give him a pass on at least one insane thing if you press them. Think “I wish he didn’t post on social media so much, but I love that he speaks his mind”
Two years is more than enough time to get incumbency advantage. He can course correct a couple things in July 2028 and ride that through the debates saying “I’m not trump guys, see, I fixed X and Y!” That gives the 38% the okay to say “yea, he’s basically trump still, I didn’t actually want X or Y”
As for winning over the rest of the electorate, who cares? Who on the left didn’t know what trump was? We all knew. We saw through the Project 2025 lies. It didn’t matter. Enough people stayed home because they knew and thought “it won’t be that bad” or “he won’t win with that baggage”
That’s Vance’s strength. He doesn’t need to win anyone over. All he needs to do is flake off a couple factions by pretending to not be that bad.
I think this perspective is the real copium.
We’ll see by January-ish, I guess, because until then both of our positions are unfalsifiable. But I brought up Vance having nothing with Democratic voters not because it’s impossible to win that way, but because Vance simply isn’t Trump and doesn’t have his uncanny ability to “flood the zone with shit”. He’s shown e.g. with the Springfield, Ohio pet-eating hoax that, like Trump, he’s not above insane, bigoted strawman issues to distract from real ones, but Trump probably almost really has been at the point where he could shoot someone dead on 5th Avenue and have it out of the news cycle two weeks later. (It’s at least starting to turn now thanks to dipshit Republicans caring about e.g. easily visible gas prices.)
Trump isn’t, of course, some magical creature – he’s propped up enormously by Congress, online floods of disinformation by foreign adversaries, right-wing justices, news media, etc. Vance would benefit from some of that. But he doesn’t have this insane, just-now-waning grip over the US’ right-wing where he functionally can’t do any wrong and, if he can, it’s immediately forgotten about. Trump over the last 10 years has accrued an insane followership, and Vance inherits almost none of that. I think that, right now, Vance “enjoys” (or at least prefers) having Trump out in front as an incompetent, buffoonish shield to the general public while he can mostly stand away and do whatever work he wants to.
Edit: I forgot to address the “real copium” part, and enequivocally: no, it isn’t. I badly want Trump out of office. I hold this belief despite what I’d want to happen (recognizing impeachment at this point is effectively impossible).
Vance is Dark Enlightenment, the plan going in was Trump to serve as chaos agent to dismantle democracy and then scapegoated (mimetic theory) after the destruction was complete. Vance would then step in to “rebuild” a utopian society from the ashes as Peter Thiel envisioned. The presupposition here is that democracy is effectively ended, it’s not working as planned and they would hold off until after midterms before impeach/25th Trump to maximize success in establishing whatever technofeudal dystopia they’ve decided on.
It’s naive to think that Trump can be so easily removed from the throne. This rat will sit there for the rest of his life.
A broken psychopath piece of sh*t clock is right twice a day.
Drowsy, Dementia Don woke up from his nap and declared war on the people who hurt his fee fees by not falling for his bluster. He is not fit for the job, fire him Maga.
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