Since Diaper Donnie is soon going to be rubbing his hands in glee to send Americans now into his meat grinder over wars he starts, how do you plan to avoid the draft?
I’m too old to join, thank god. Too old and too out of shape for them to bother caring. Plus a lot of psychological issues that will make me more likely shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents to help king pedo succeed in his bullshit missions.
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I hear they don’t let trans people in. Could try that
Fight for an Independent California.
Was in the Marines before, hated it and left to go to school. Would never think about joining back up. However I actually unironically would be willing to fight for California to be its own country, America is already on decline and society is fucked in general.
Aside from that maybe I’d expatriate and go to my mother’s home country in Central America and try to improve things there.
by being in a country that doesnt have a draft and by being trans
Same boat man. I’ve seen enough shit I’d probably blast my superiors too.
Wait that’s an option? 👀
Hmm I guess I’ll just die. 🤷♂️
Maybe I’ll find my faith into Buddhism or something lmao. (cuz buddists can’t do violence so you have religious exemption)
Oh yea btw, my mom called me weak and cowardly and unmannly and once told me “You should join the military so you can become more ‘Manly’ and ‘brave’”
I was like “Sureee mom, so when WW3 breaks out and they deploy me to Taiwan, I get to shoot at China’s PLA soldiers…” (context: my family is from China) then mom got mad at me and told me that I’m so weak no military would ever accept me anyways… lmfao.
So if I get drafted and die in war… maybe my mom will finally be happy that her son “died a man” or whateverz…
Surely Donald will close the bone spurs loophole
By being Canadian. Y’all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.
That’s one of the greatest acts of friendship y’all keep offering us. It’s always been appreciated
Back when I was young I was just glad I was hard of hearing.
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft? I feel like after Vietnam they realized that it’s too hard to send the general population to do terrible shit without getting a lot of pushback. A professional military that’s already filtered out anyone with a conscience is half of why they can just do shit like this while most of the country doesn’t want it. Plus technology has improved a lot, allowing a smaller force to do the same thing.
As for me. I’m already out of that age range, but I’ve already been wanting to move for a while. Maybe that would be the last kick in the pants necessary to get me to actually do it. But with the depression it’s still kind of a coin flip so….
The DoD thinks its a dumb idea to have a draft as the quality of the fighting force is degraded and other Incentives work better. The problem is facts and good reasoning are not something that the current administration is known for. Half want a Holy war to bring about Armageddon. The other half will do it based on something they see on social media.
The US government has been investing billions into AI, drones, and other autonomous and remote weapons systems.
Sending a bunch of young men to the opposite side of the world would be not just unpopular, it incredibly expensive. Food, clothing, equipment, healthcare costs. I highly doubt the end goal is to actually annex Iran, so they’re much better off trying to find a local group to support in taking over the country and establishing a US-friendly puppet state. There’s no need to have Americans in guerilla warfare for that.
The only way I see them doing that is if they WANT to kill off a chunk of the male population in that age group. Which… Maybe? I could certainly see Trump and Hegseth trying to send “undesirables” overseas to die, but they’ve also made moves like banning trans people from military service. Unless they reverse policies, it looks like Trump will prefer to cozy up to the military rather than use it as a tool for getting rid of people.
Maybe Trump will just do what Netenyahu tells him to. But I think this is more about trying to manufacture a reason to cancel mid-term elections like they outlined in 2025 than anything else. With the added benefit of funneling more government money into the military-industrial complex.
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft?
The important question is whether THEY think they’ll bring back the draft; and the answer is yes, they are thinking of that very thing. Young men - they’ll bar women - will go and die, just to keep the Epstein files sealed by any distraction possible. Any fight, any time, anything big and bloody.
(Because if you listen to the one witness, it’s just even so much more heinous than even this)
Why dodge when you can frag?
Just gonna give them a rundown on my politics
Reminds me of an old lyric by John Prine…“She was a level-headed woman, on the road to alcohol, and I was just a soldier, on my way to Montreal”.
shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents
Everybody, tell them this!
It could be a beautiful strategy to avoid the draft.
The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.
It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.
If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.
I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.
Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.
Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy for no money, I think the results would differ.
I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong
Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s
Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.
Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.
My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).
When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.
I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.
Whether I would actually shoot someone giving me orders, depends on the person, the context and the orders. But chances are they will already know i am more trouble then worth something to them and wont be handed a weapon.
People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.
I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh
Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.
Isn’t it the logical thing to do?
I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.
So what are my options, what can I do?
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If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.
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If I kill myself, the same as above.
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Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.
No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.
This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?
“Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”
Bonus points if something huge happens while you’re saying that and the regime literally all dies before you finish saying that sentence.
Oooh double meaning on sentence, I like it.
It’d be like the reverse of that Futurama ‘war were declared’ scene :D
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I’m too old, but remember doing this planning after 9/11. (FWIW, if it didn’t happen then, it’s really likely not going to happen now, but you never know. Always good to have a plan.) Here he’s some options:
First option: conscientious objectors are still allowed. Go join a Buddhist temple (treeleaf.org is an online one). But you have to commit. Be a member in good standing, take the precepts, actually participate. Similarly, you can be exempted if you’re a priest. Do you genuinely think that aliens are angels and that the alien god Raël is our savior? Great! Start a local Ralean church and start preaching. Do it on YT! Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Perfect! We need more Pastafarians to get it legally recognized in more states.
Second option: Mental Health Disqualifications. An ADHD diagnosis CAN sometimes be enough to get a deferral (but Petey might sign a blanket waiver). Gender dysphoria as well, and with this administration, they’re so trans-phobic that seems like a slam dunk (assuming there’s no trans gulag you’ll end up at). The important part to any mental health disqualification is treatment or meds in the last 12 months (24 months maybe).
Third option: Stay in school, kids. Regular university attendance still is ground for a deferral…today at least. Grad school? PhD program? Might be worth the application fee.
Fourth option: Leaving the country. A lot of people ended up in Canada during Vietnam. Digital nomad visas are easy to get in a lot of places. An alternative to this would be Peace Corps service, which would let you defer being drafted until your service is done. You can extend up to 5 years in the same country. Also a large number of people in PC during Vietnam. Considering it survived when USAID didn’t, I’d say anyone qualified might as well start applying now as it can take up to a year to a placement.
Last option: Be the sole income earner for your family. So marry someone - anyone - and be employed, preferably in an industry that won’t go away during a draft (sorry, DoorDash isn’t going to cut it). I had a grand parent who was a welder during WWII who wasn’t drafted based on this one.
Do what that Canadian teacher (in Hamilton I believe) who got the fake massive tits
I’d be careful with the mental health one given how they’ve been positioning to send people with ADHD to “wellness farms” and lord knows what they’d do with trans draft dodgers.
Yeah, I didn’t want to go the extra step and suggest that whatever a bunch of transphobes decide is “gender dysmorphia” will get people sent to a conversion gulag, but we were all thinking it, right?
For anyone considering transitioning to dodge the draft, please consider you may actually be transgender, approaching transition from a direction that relieves guilt over gender conformity is pretty common.
Would measles be a way out? It is on the rise in america.
