As a trans person myself – I want general improvements to quality of life. Don’t single us out. I want to appreciate the effort here, but this is just putting trans folks in the crossfire.
For the last 3 years, the manosphere had radicalized young men on the idea that “women get all the benefits” because of woman-only scholarships, woman-only shelters, and laws from Bill Clinton’s administration that specifically protect women from Domestic Violence. When I read this bill, all I can think of is some muscular tan bro talking into a microphone saying: The world takes care of trans people. We get none of that.
Don’t make the rule that “you can’t deny someone food stamps due to their trans identity”; say people can’t be denied food stamps. Ditto for unemployment benefits, public housing, and (quoting from the bill): medical care, shelter, safety, and economic security. Pass laws for medical dignity and autonomy; not just against doctors refusing or delaying HRT, but for all general elective procedures and medications. Let the transgender news content creators explain why these are good for queer folks.
On top of that, maybe make it illegal to disclose whether someone is trans or not in court to prevent biasing a jury. That would be it IMO.
Good policy opens up protections to everyone. Poorly versed politicians frame things narrowly because their privileges make them blind to everyday life.
I imagine you are right. Remember, these folks make $174,000 a year, and have taxpayer-funded healthcare </3
Me looking for what happened to the original bill of rights
Glad they waited until it’s borderline impossible to actually get it passed into law. /S
Yeah, don’t forget to vote democrat because they try to help in ways that are nearly impossible to cause a good outcome. And they don’t send thugs to your house.
Listen, I’m not here to defend the Democrats. But if you aren’t willing to do the simplest, easiest possible form of resistance: voting against the people building new concentration camps and passing bills that hurt vulnerable people. You’re entirely useless in this conflict.
If that’s the only thing you do then you’re almost useless in this conflictbb
I am voting Democrat, but not because of anything other than getting orange turd. Otherwise I still will never ever vote Republican anything. But what is happening is that Republicans are infiltrating the Democratic party. So you do need to pay attention to what their statements are.
Why not pass a bill of rights that will address material conditions for everyone, no need to be exclusive. Here is a great one from 1944.
Employment (right to work) An adequate income for food, shelter, and recreation Farmers' rights to a fair income Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies Decent housing Adequate medical care Social security EducationOr even just take this part "people under the law and ensure their access to medical care, shelter, safety, and economic security.” and ensure that the same applies to everyone, even if they aren’t trans. I’d love if everyone, including trans people, had those rights.
I think there’s value to being specific about the rights of trans people because they are in an especially vulnerable position and are actively being denied basic rights. Yes we need rights for all, but to say “Why should trans people get special treatment with a bill like this?” at this moment has a whiff of the “all lives matter” about it.
Black Lives Matter is a great slogan for social justice. The Black Bill of Rights is a terrible thing for a government whose purpose isn’t racial apartheid. Either we are all equal under the law or we aren’t.
Right. Over specificity in establishing rights and protections is how we end to with trans people being denied rights and how we have to argue semantics about who is actually protected by the law. The same thing happened for gay and lesbian people, and could happen again as protections for discrimination against some sexual orientation(s) are not explicit in some cases, and open to reinterpretation by bad actors in SCOTUS. Even if you cover that gap now, the it may not help the next group that falls along the fringe or entirely outside of those specific protections when they’re targetted in the future. It should be written to be broad in protection and specific in exemption (where necessary), not the other way around.
Absolutely vital, i wish they showed this enthusiasm when they had a chance of passing it
We have fascists looking to kill people and the Dems want to play identity politics.
Now is not the time. To be honest, there may not ever be a time unless all of the baby boomers die, gen x gets a clue, and gen z males walk back Nazism.
Yeah, and trans people are amongst those they want to kill.
Most gen x has a clue, some became Nazis. what we don’t have is the numbers even if we were 100% united.
protecting marginalised people at a time when they’re being directly targetted isn’t “identity politics”
You can’t protect anyone when you virtue signal and lose the vote.
Just ask the Palestinians.🙃
Hm, quick question, why do you think they would lose the vote…
Because magat assholes are doing their best to fuck over the election?
Because you, and people like you, won’t show up to the polls if this is the focus of the next election. That’s what you’re trying not to say. You’re reminding us that the MAGAts are going to show up, but that you don’t find this issue compelling enough to actually turn out on election day, and you fear that too many others feel as you do.
I’d like to see trans protections and support included in a Universal Healthcare bill that puts the entire medical insurance industry out of business. The Universal Healthcare aspect is why I’m going to the polls, and it would be nice if there were some guarantees in that to ensure that trans care is included in “Universal”.
Universal Healthcare is what I will be looking for when I go to the polls this fall. While I’m there, I’ll support every trans issue I can find. Fortunately, there isnt much anti-trans horseshit from the people who support Universal Healthcare, nor anti-healthcare horseshit from the trans community. Support for either is support for both.
It seemed like you were drawing a connection between attempting to, or at least signalling that they wanted to, protect trans people and losing.
Establishment Dems could care less about trans rights. They just think that they can claim the moral high ground. If they are sincere about this, then they will do it when they have a veto proof majority.
How will they ever get a veto-proof majority if they never have a vote before elections to show which ones who are against basic human rights?
- couldn’t care less.
They know without a doubt this won’t make any traction and will just get booed out of the public space right now, this whole performance is hurting trans rights and equality broadly.
But I’m quite sure they know that and are doing this on purpose.
We might actually have Republicans willing to vote on issues involving the Epstein files, and the reach and funding of ICE and these people are…(checks notes) are wasting time on something no republican will even look at.
These people don’t want to do the work. They need to be primaried.
I’m all for trans rights but right now this is just a fucking puppet show.
Yep, and this is exactly why they’re wasting time on it.
Trans folks, especially teens and kids, need to see someone in power fighting for them. It’s necessary to have some hope to avoid suicide. So it is good in that regard
However for myself, I do not trust the democrats to actually follow through on any trans protections. It feels disingenuous. Why didn’t they go to bat for us before the election? Why is newsom spouting anti-trans rhetoric? It feels like theater, remind the alphabet to not get too radicalized and actually throw off our oppressors
Jayapal and Markey are both long-time progressives without presidential ambitions, so I actually trust that they’re sincere on this one. I don’t know anything about Jacobs.
Any centrists like Newsom who think they might get the mythical moderate Republican vote by throwing trans people under the bus? I agree, I don’t trust an inch
If they’re sincere, they’re stupid.
This whole thing will just shine negative attention from state-controlled media about dems trying to do a terror or some bullshit, when we should have the entirety of the Democratic “opposition” doing what they can to remove these obvious criminals and thieves from power, then we can actually introduce legislation that has a chance of being written into law.
I cannot imagine what on Earth they’re thinking. It’s great if it helps some hopeful young trans kids who… closely follow Democrats… but the reality is this kind of legislation feels like a performance designed to make it look like they’re doing something, without any actual plan to make it work.
I mean holy shit, we had the longest government shutdown in history over HEALTHCARE and the dems caved and the GOP raped us in the ass for it.
There is also a massive, growing sentiment against ICE and immigration enforcement that have brought out millions of people to march in the streets. Where the FUCK is the capitalization on this momentum? Oh yeah, same place they safely stored all the momentum from BLM and No Kings.
Yeah, even if these particular dems have a progressive track record, this act seems performative. Not only is it doomed to fail, even if it miraculously passes and becomes law (which would require the president’s signature or else a supermajority to override), clearly the current administration isn’t respecting the bill of right that we currently already have enshrined in the constitution, so what difference would it honestly make? There’s a better time for it, and it’s when Dems have a trifecta.
Right now, it just seems like virtue signaling to make up for the failures of Democratic leadership to organize effectively around resisting the maga agenda. It’s damage control/PR.
Although, one good side effect leading up to the primaries is that it might force Democrats to go on the record either for or against it, which is helpful information for the public and may boost the performance of progressives.
If that’s their intention, then it’s a certified boss move.
I feel like pandering leads to more hopelessness when nothing meaningful ever changes — but that’s just me. Not to say that this is pandering, but it will be functionally if nothing comes of it.
They can do more than one thing at the same time. Every bit helps. Relentlessly.
No this alienates a bunch of people because it’s a hot-button culture war issue
Why is this divisive but anti imperialism isn’t?
Let them be alienated. Trans rights are human rights, and they’re non-negotiable. Trans people are such a small minority, our rights depend on cis allies being vocal advocates, even when it isn’t easy. Social progress has never happened by backing away from an issue conservatives are mad about and waiting for them to change their minds and come around.
The bill will go nowhere, and we all know that, including the sponsors. It’s pointless, just some idpol nonsense.
It’s a divisive issue that will alienate people from the party at a time when you hope they’re going to run on defunding ICE and prosecutions for Trump officials.
They aren’t going to do either of those things, so they have to seem like they’re Less Evil™️. This just further dehumanizes turns trans people, turning them into political footballs and you fall for it eagerly
People who are alienated by me having rights deserve a fucking wall. Doesn’t matter if that’s rights we all have, or rights only some have due to being an oppressed minority.
I don’t want these nazis being my neighbors after this. I want to fucking hunt them like the collaborators they are. I want them dead like they want me dead.
These people have crossed the fucking Rubicon as far as I’m concerned.
Anyone who is afraid of talking about this issue is gonna do jack-shit about ICE. They’re just gonna keep giving them more and more funding and act surprised when they do they same things they’ve been doing, but now with more agents and more weapons.
This is your brain on idpol 🤷
What meaningful change do you think they’re gonna make other than simply not voting on funding at all?
I vehemently defend trans rights. Was kneed in the head by a cop at a protest for trans rights. But, I agree. Democunts are doing more identity politics **, rather than even attempt to stop the fascism.
** trans rights are not identity politics. The selective weaponization of trans rights in this moment, is.
Edit: to be clear, THIS is the exact reason you and me need to join our local lefty group. I guarantee there is one near you.
Bingo. This is more effort than they ever put into making abortion a guaranteed right
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
It is so sad this needs to be done.
I’m a supporter of Trans people but I this is such a waste of time and effort-- grandstanding for an fraction of a percent of the population while the constitution and standards of living are actively being eroded for everyone
Agreed. This is a waste of fucking time for as long as the pedophile death cult is at large.
What’s your point in offering this?
