The attorney general was visibly angry as she leveled bizarre accusations against the departing prosecutors.

https://archive.is/2OdeD

Attorney General Pam Bondi was so furious with six federal prosecutors who announced they would resign rather than prosecute the widow of a Minnesota woman killed by an ICE agent that she fired them before they had a chance to give their notice.

    • TimmyDeanSausage @lemmy.world
      27·
      4 hours ago

      Border patrol agents have no jurisdiction over US citizens. They didn’t have the authority to stop her and try to remove her from her car in the first place so, what they were doing was unlawful from the start. That should disqualify him from using the supremacy clause, before we even get into debate on whether lethal force was justified or not.

      • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
        13·
        4 hours ago

        ICE isn’t border patrol.

        As for whether this was part of their duties, that’s the question and oh boy this is going to be messy in the courts.

        • TimmyDeanSausage @lemmy.world
          3·
          2 hours ago

          Ah, I thought he was border patrol, but he’s ICE, and you’re right. ICE also doesn’t have jurisdiction over US citizens though. I think it’s pretty clear that there was no probable cause to believe she, or her wife, were potentially illegal immigrants, were aiding illegal immigrants, or were impeding the agent’s investigation in any way, given that she was initially trying to wave them to go around her.

          If/When we have a functioning DOJ again, Ross is going to prison.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      38·
      6 hours ago

      Presidential pardons only work for Federal crimes. It also does not protect the murderer from a civil suit (see OJ Simpson).

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
          20·
          2 hours ago

          The state of Minnesota can wait until there is a more friendly administration before bringing charges, since there is not statute of limitations on murder. Also, the supremacy clause does not protect murderer Johnathan Ross from civil litigation.

          You attached that TikTok-like video without properly reading the comment you were responding to.

          EDIT:

          Let’s address @[email protected] 's edit below. He is not wrong, but he is being overly defeatist and thus ignoring several key points.

          • Administrations do matter. As we have seen with Trump and his failed prosecution, administrations get to install federal judges and it is up to the federal judge whether or not this becomes a federal case.
          • A presidential pardon carries an admission of guilt, which is part of your permanent criminal record, which definitely affects your ability to find employment, travel, etc.
          • Civil suits can be a terrible fate and should not be dismissed as Someguy3 is doing. A severe judgment against you can be an insurmountable and lifelong financial burdern. Even if as a convicted, yet pardoned murderer you happen to find a job, the civil suit will garner your wages. Own a house? Not anymore. People like OJ and Alex Jones have/had the means to avoid a lot of this, but murderer Johnathan Ross? Not likely without a very rich benefactor, in which case Mrs Good’s widow and children would be set for life while murderer Ross would still carry that albatross around his neck for life. Ideal? No, but things rarely are.
          • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
            112·
            3 hours ago

            There were two parts to this. First is criminal and second is civil, you even used the word “also” to separate them.

            Criminal: Again, Trump can preemtively pardon him and all of ICE. And the supremacy clause will be in play determined by the court. That’s the whole point.

            *I guess I’ll try again in more detail. There are two parts to criminal. 1) state criminal charges. This is where Supremacy clause comes in. This is determined by a judge, not by the administration. Administration does not matter. 2) federal criminal charges. Trump will likely preemptively pardon him. So future DOJ (appointed by future administration) will not be able to federally charge him. Administration does not matter.

            Civil: I don’t think civil charges are what anyone wants here. If you are satisfied with possible civil charges, you are missing the entire big picture. Like seriously you think possible civil charges is going to fix ICE shooting people in the face? JFC. I didn’t respond to it because you and everyone else should want criminal charges. Ciao.

            • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
              8·
              4 hours ago

              Again, PEDOnald cannot pardon state charges. Minnesota can still charge Ross with murder even if he gets a presidential pardon. Supremacy clause doesn’t prevent states from using their own charges just because the feds refused to charge him with anything

              • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
                4·
                4 hours ago

                The point @[email protected] was making is that the federal government can pull any state charges to a federal agent into federal court. If the federal judge finds that the federal agent was not acting in their capacity as a federal agent when the crime was committed, then the state prosecution can continue. That’s a tough obstacle to overcome under the current administration.

                My point is that murder has no statute of limitations and Minnesota can wait to file charges until a non-fascist administration is in power. That could be in four years or in twenty. Again, no statute of limitations.