The rest of the world isn’t going to start World War 3 over Greenland, just abolish US relations.
This is what Trump/Miller want. They’re the abusive partner trying to get you to cut contact with all your friends and family.
edit: some naive fuckers in Lemmy. You just watched the USA kidnap the leader of another country and are currently making plans to kidnap the leaders of other neighboring countries and the rest of the world is just making frowny faces and stern condemnations. When Hitler annexed Anschluss there were plenty of people who were STILL saying “He won’t go after more, it’s fear-mongering, Europe’s strength will deter him.” Yes the US could take Greenland, and no it won’t lead to Europe going to war with the US because the consequences are too extreme. No, it’s not a good thing either if that’s what your thick skull is taking from this. There is no good outcome, sometimes some things happen and they’re just bad.
And when the rest of the world, like Canada, sells off their Tbonds and crashes the US economy, nationalizes US assets including patents, sells off US dollars reserves and cuts off exports - including hydro power, potash, oil, aluminum, and uranium, to name just a few from Canada - I guarantee the US will notice. Even one of these will be enough for the US to become the aggressor.
Greenland may seem minor, but where Greenland goes, Canada goes. For my country this is existential. And frankly, I can only assume you have typical American hubris if you assume the US will be allowed to do whatever they want.
Americans who enable this are entitled, spoiled, arrogant children who don’t understand a) how dependent they are on the other countries, b) how a threat to their pampered asses really looks and feels, and c) that the upcoming fight for other countries is existential, and not just for more treasure. Americans are fighting and dying for more profits for their billionaires and maybe a new iPhone. They’re fighting to protect a billionaire conman who fucks kids. The rest of the world is fighting for their existence. You tell me who is more motivated.
I can only assume you have typical American hubris if you assume the US will be allowed to do whatever they want.
Are we really doing this shit? I’m not reading the rest and I’m blocking you, you know damn well I don’t represent my country’s politics, and you fucks out there need to do better than become like this rotten country and start doing the tribalism shit. I am giving political analysis and if it sparks you to want to hate someone for it, send that hate where it belongs, the people who are controlling the US and will soon control Canada and europe as well. And I don’t mean Trump.
Oh it’s another one of the “billionaires are causing all of this and by recognizing that I absolve myself of all responsibility and justify my indignant anger towards countries that my country is threatening” Americans.
He’s really just saying that you’re demonstrating the intellectual capacity of a standard Trump supporter because you apparently think all Americans are equally responsible for this.
No I don’t but I’m tired of hearing Americans try to absolve themselves by pointing out the very obvious cause, as if identifying the problem of wealth inequality turns enemies into friends, or suddenly and magically means my country isn’t being threatened by half of the US population. Sorry, some of them are too far gone, and no amount of enlightenment is going to change the fact that I can’t trust the country that they control right now. I’m allowed to call that out and I’m allowed to be pissed.
And at the same time I’m allowed to cheer when I see angry Americans that are fighting back. I know there are good ones but I don’t think the ones that play the rhetorical absolution trick are owed anything for pointing out something that we all already knew, that we had been saying for decades, and that doesn’t do anything to help now.
Global instability from a Europe-North American war would likely cause a lot of conflicts around the world. Want it or not, the whole world is dependent on eachother, and if exports from North America and Europe get unstable, they rest of the world will be hit. Just like if exports from China were to get disrupted the rest of the world would also get fucked.
Global instability from a Europe-North American war would likely cause a lot of conflicts around the world.
An actual Europe/US war would raze the world to cinders. This is why Greenland is going to get us shut out from trade and protection, not start a war. I can’t speak for this current administration of death-cultists, but the EU doesn’t want the world reduced to cinders. This is why the administration thinks they can get away with annexing it, and they may to some degree.
An actual Europe/US war would raze the world to cinders
Why? Nobody except maybe Russia would want any part in that clusterfuck except to sell weapons, and Russia can barely take the Russian speaking part of Ukraine at the cost of significant long term growth.
An Africa without massively unequel leverage might actually develop their means of production instead of shipping gold ore and cocoa to Europe, a South America free of America might be able to assert itself instead of whatever the fuck Chile has been doing.
I don’t even know how to begin to explain this if you can’t already see how biblically devastating that would be for all human life across most of the world.
africa shit
There won’t be a rest of the world for Africa to work with, I cannot even fathom how someone can’t see how bad this would be, even if it never escalates to nuclear exchanges.
As simply as I can state it without delving into geopolitics that I know I’m not qualified to claim authority on, if two world super-powers faced off in a full-scale war, not even nuclear, it wouldn’t be a quick spat, it wouldn’t be a couple wacky years as the rest of the world looks on, it will ravage everything, and everyone will get drawn in. Everyone.
But it’s worse than that, because it’s not even going to be a border-war, it’s going to be a strategic/ballistic war, that means bombings, and if you don’t think two powers at war with each other, bombing each other’s cities, aren’t going to eventually cow to public demand for nuclear retribution, maybe not in short term, but somewhere down the line as the original actors are long gone and new leaders have taken the reins, in a world far less stable and reasonable world, man do I have some Fermi-Paradox solutions to show you.
Foreign officials making statements condemning the act, but not actually pursuing any consequences for the US. What they’ve been doing this whole time.
What exactly? Describe what actions the US has taken, and the milquetoast responses from the world. I’m sure they will all be equivalent to an occupation and theft of a sovereign country that belongs to the EU, as well as a signatory to NATO.
Their economy depends on the other countries around the world. What do you suppose happens when the countries dump TBonds and the US dollar? What happens when the agriculture industry is destroyed when the potash stops? There are so many trade dependencies that disappear.
The US has had a golden ticket and they would throw it away. No more printing money. Good luck maintaining all of that military, especially spread out all over the world.
It’s frankly astonishing that the citizens of the US don’t understand that they established these systems of trade and finances to benefit them and make their country rich and so they could get low priced goods and abundance, and they got spoiled by it and assumed it was all due to their greatness. But they’re heavily dependent on it and it’s a different world once it’s gone.
The very definition of born on third and thought they hit a triple.
That would also crush EUs economy, and hurt all the wealthy/politicians. Many citizens would get angry, and probably vote the status quo out of power.
I agree that it still should be done, because the alternative would likely be worse. But, I think it’s unlikely to happen because the people who benefit the most from the way things are won’t willingly let it.
Complete and total cessation of trade with the US is extremely unlikely. Countries that have done worse still regularly engage in trade. Even if all of Europe stopped buying and selling with the US, Europe is 500 million people on a planet with 7 billion.
No, it still wouldn’t be good for anybody and Trump and his supporters are deluded dingbats but it wouldn’t isolate the US.
Actual occupation of a sovereign nation, not yet, threatening it multiple times against multiple places, yes. That should be more than enough to hit the US with sanctions or SOMETHING more than just words.
Speaking as a Canadian and repeating a comment from a few days ago that was in a different context.
If Trump/US invaded Greenland.
Pollievre (leader of Conservative party) - “yes Daddy invade them!”
Carney (leader of Liberal party & Canadian Government currently) - “Canada is alarmed by these actions and will continue to work collaboratively with its international partners to find a solution.”
We all know the Liberal response is the better one but it still means absolutely jack shit.
I agree with you on what we’ll hear, but I second the other comment: besides the speeches, Carney will move Canada further away from the US.
He started doing so without saying it too loudly. Only an idiot would not see it. The good thing is only one idiot needs to be fooled.
To escalate, he has multiple levers at his disposal: the everlasting hesitation between F35 and Gripen purchase, the tariffs on Chinese EV (if they were repelled, US car makers could be driven out of Canada’s market within just a few years). And of course dumping US bonds, but that would hurt Canada too.
How can Canada move away from the US? Our economies are heavily integrated we’re eachother’s biggest trading partners.
Canada makes parts for US cars, thats the justification used to follow US tariffs on chinese EVs, what hurts our big 4 hurts your factories.
Militarily its even worse. Unless you imagine Canada throwing out all the weapons systems which depend on US manufacturing and buying European(where they exist), Chinese, and Russian(the US would probably start pirating your cargo ships) systems instead, Canada’s options are be a part if America’s military force or not have modern weapons.
I happen to think you’re wrong. It would be political suicide. Carney has been working feverishly to diversify, and he would recognize that the majority of Canadians are done with the US. We either act decisively at Greenland, or we are finished. And if the people decide on that policy, it doesn’t really matter what the PM wants to do.
I’m ready to sacrifice, because this is existential for us.
You’re wrong, and anyway there are more than just military options.
For example there are devastating economic options. And generations-long wars of attrition and terror with neighboring countries that look like you and sound like you. The US sucks at occupation, even when they’re brown people on the other side of the world. Imagine they hide in plain sight.
I don’t think there is anything in the French arsenal shy of a nuclear weapon that could deter a US advance.
I also haven’t seen anything to suggest the UK would oppose a US occupation of Greenland. If anything, they’d more likely offer a deal to facilitate it - especially if Parliament falls to Reform UK in the next few years
The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world. They can barely occupy a country full of illiterate goat herders that look and sound nothing like them. Even in Canada they might have immediate victories but they will be in for decades of war of attrition with an enemy that looks like them, talks like them, and can either pop in and out of thousands of acres of impassable muskegs and boreal forest, or hop over the impossibly long and similarly defensible border to attack inside the US, or just hide in plain sight to act like your friend until they’re not.
Unless they’re planning to destroy everything and kill everyone. So I guess they need to ask themselves how they feel living in the US after all that suffering, death and destruction.
The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world.
Europe is not the “rest of the world”. They sit high and mighty now in judgement after raping the rest of the planet for 500 years and then culminating that in the two most destructive wars in human history and the greatest atrocity in the Holocaust. But it’s also a group of countries that spend far, far less on their militaries combined than the US does.
It’s not just about military spending. It doesn’t make you invincible.
The US has created a world tuned to give them all the economic advantages, and they are too stupid and arrogant to realize what happens when that all ends.
The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world.
Since Its Birth the USA has only had 17 years of peace. None of those years have occurred since 1941. I don’t know how else you describe “a protracted war with the rest of the world”, but given the enormous economic growth over the last 85 years and the near-endless multi-theater conflicts the US has been engaged in over that period, I would say it can and it has.
Unless they’re planning to destroy everything and kill everyone.
The great thing about war is that it churns the economy. And Americans care more about economic growth than any other domestic policy. Would be a shame if everything was destroyed and everyone killed, because then we’d have nothing to enact war on in the following fiscal quarter.
Much easier to just keep the wars at a low simmer and “lose” them endlessly, while contractors and arms dealers grow fatter and happier ad infinitum.
The US has never really sacrificed in a war. They’ve never had any threat of invasion or hostility inside their borders. It’s charming that you think what the US has done in third world countries is war. Dropping troops half way across the planet to fight underdeveloped resource rich nations that never threaten you economically or militarily is not a war. The one time one of these conflicts came home, resulting in large scale unscheduled demolition in NYC, the country went apeshit and acted as if they were in their last moments, trashed their rights and freedoms and invoked article 5 - the only time in history - so that they could spend over a decade in Afghanistan and end up leaving after cashing in the blood of their young men and women to make oil companies and defense contractors rich.
The corpulent unwashed masses in the US are lazy and addicted to their comforts. They’ve never had a war on their borders.
Pretty much a joke that the American public sector is a trainwreck thanks to how much we’ve squandered invading overseas.
Plenty of Americans have suffered and died to poverty, neglect, and the hideous environmental impact of the MIC, because so much of our economy is routed into immiserating others.
Yes, this was the right response, and you are correct.
I’m not claiming any ground here at all by the way. Canada has never suffered an invasion either.
It’s very easy to be flippant about the scale of suffering in WW2. The German invasion of Russia, translated to the US, would have been an invasion along the entire east coast that pushed from NYC as far in as Kansas City.
They’ve never had any threat of invasion or hostility inside their borders
Do you think a European army is going to pull a D-Day across an ocean controlled by a navy 10x larger than all their forces combined?
The logistics of d-day and the following weeks were insane, and that was like 75 miles off allied coast protected by the 2 largest navies in the world.
I am noting that the US has never had a war with a bordering country that looks and sounds like them.
And I’m also pointing out that the US has never had a war with a country that can cripple their agriculture industry, sell off Tbonds and USD and crash their economy, nationalize their strategic assets and patents, and cut off power to the northeast. Then fight a war of attrition for a generation if needed.
War has been something that most in the US only watch on Fox News.
Finally, if the US did abandon its traditional allies, I suspect those former allies would be looking a lot more friendly with China, who would then be the main beneficiary to capitalize off of the conflict.
You do realize that missiles can reach the US yes? And they don’t need to be nuclear? It does not need to be boots on the ground in an organized invasion to cause enormous pain.
Do the citizens of the US really think they would be able to watch the world burn around them on Fox News and not feel any impacts?
All this for a bloated demented conman who rapes kids. Unreal.
I agree, they are deliberately picking a “low-value” target to drive a wedge between the US and EU/Canada. Miller and Trump are panicked that they won’t finish the term and are trying to crank all the isolationist, fascist, hermit-empire world-building into one year.
Nobody wants to start World War 3 over Greenland, so it’s a testing ground for how far this administration can push their dumb agenda.
If he was a halfway intelligent dictator they would be negotiating for rights to set up a stronger US presence in Greenland and work through soft power, trade and other back-room negotiations, but they’re utter fucking morons so they’re trying to use hard power to divide alliances and threaten the world.
All we will get out of this deal is embargos on US goods and the slow, steady decline of the US superpower status as the rest of the world moves on and we slowly rust.
I said Canada is not going to let it escalate to full blown war. Anything else is your own hallucinations.
Anything less than a strong reaction - including (to name just two) dumping Tbonds and cutting off exports (oil, potash, uranium, hydro power, softwood, etc) - will be unacceptable to most Canadians. If even one of those actions is taken by us, the US will be aggressive because they’ve set it up that way. They want to occupy Canada. They want a response and most Canadians are ready to give it to them. My family and I are ready to suffer and sacrifice. Are you?
I gather from your response you’re not Canadian so you really don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to my country.
Sorry to hear about the threats against your country. I’d have thought this might create allies, but it seems we have a fundamental personality impasse.
Not sure where you get the feeling that the attack would be tolerated by the EU or Canada. What does tolerated mean to you?
The rest of the world isn’t going to start World War 3 over Greenland, just abolish US relations.
This is what Trump/Miller want. They’re the abusive partner trying to get you to cut contact with all your friends and family.
edit: some naive fuckers in Lemmy. You just watched the USA kidnap the leader of another country and are currently making plans to kidnap the leaders of other neighboring countries and the rest of the world is just making frowny faces and stern condemnations. When Hitler annexed Anschluss there were plenty of people who were STILL saying “He won’t go after more, it’s fear-mongering, Europe’s strength will deter him.” Yes the US could take Greenland, and no it won’t lead to Europe going to war with the US because the consequences are too extreme. No, it’s not a good thing either if that’s what your thick skull is taking from this. There is no good outcome, sometimes some things happen and they’re just bad.
Let’s be clear, the US is starting it.
And when the rest of the world, like Canada, sells off their Tbonds and crashes the US economy, nationalizes US assets including patents, sells off US dollars reserves and cuts off exports - including hydro power, potash, oil, aluminum, and uranium, to name just a few from Canada - I guarantee the US will notice. Even one of these will be enough for the US to become the aggressor.
Greenland may seem minor, but where Greenland goes, Canada goes. For my country this is existential. And frankly, I can only assume you have typical American hubris if you assume the US will be allowed to do whatever they want.
Americans who enable this are entitled, spoiled, arrogant children who don’t understand a) how dependent they are on the other countries, b) how a threat to their pampered asses really looks and feels, and c) that the upcoming fight for other countries is existential, and not just for more treasure. Americans are fighting and dying for more profits for their billionaires and maybe a new iPhone. They’re fighting to protect a billionaire conman who fucks kids. The rest of the world is fighting for their existence. You tell me who is more motivated.
Are we really doing this shit? I’m not reading the rest and I’m blocking you, you know damn well I don’t represent my country’s politics, and you fucks out there need to do better than become like this rotten country and start doing the tribalism shit. I am giving political analysis and if it sparks you to want to hate someone for it, send that hate where it belongs, the people who are controlling the US and will soon control Canada and europe as well. And I don’t mean Trump.
Oh it’s another one of the “billionaires are causing all of this and by recognizing that I absolve myself of all responsibility and justify my indignant anger towards countries that my country is threatening” Americans.
Any more of you around?
He’s really just saying that you’re demonstrating the intellectual capacity of a standard Trump supporter because you apparently think all Americans are equally responsible for this.
No I don’t but I’m tired of hearing Americans try to absolve themselves by pointing out the very obvious cause, as if identifying the problem of wealth inequality turns enemies into friends, or suddenly and magically means my country isn’t being threatened by half of the US population. Sorry, some of them are too far gone, and no amount of enlightenment is going to change the fact that I can’t trust the country that they control right now. I’m allowed to call that out and I’m allowed to be pissed.
And at the same time I’m allowed to cheer when I see angry Americans that are fighting back. I know there are good ones but I don’t think the ones that play the rhetorical absolution trick are owed anything for pointing out something that we all already knew, that we had been saying for decades, and that doesn’t do anything to help now.
I feel like a lot of Europe didn’t even bother to condemn the Venezuela thing
It won’t start WW3, as Africa nor asia will hop onto the conflict.
Global instability from a Europe-North American war would likely cause a lot of conflicts around the world. Want it or not, the whole world is dependent on eachother, and if exports from North America and Europe get unstable, they rest of the world will be hit. Just like if exports from China were to get disrupted the rest of the world would also get fucked.
An actual Europe/US war would raze the world to cinders. This is why Greenland is going to get us shut out from trade and protection, not start a war. I can’t speak for this current administration of death-cultists, but the EU doesn’t want the world reduced to cinders. This is why the administration thinks they can get away with annexing it, and they may to some degree.
Why? Nobody except maybe Russia would want any part in that clusterfuck except to sell weapons, and Russia can barely take the Russian speaking part of Ukraine at the cost of significant long term growth.
An Africa without massively unequel leverage might actually develop their means of production instead of shipping gold ore and cocoa to Europe, a South America free of America might be able to assert itself instead of whatever the fuck Chile has been doing.
I don’t even know how to begin to explain this if you can’t already see how biblically devastating that would be for all human life across most of the world.
There won’t be a rest of the world for Africa to work with, I cannot even fathom how someone can’t see how bad this would be, even if it never escalates to nuclear exchanges.
Again, why would Mexico, Brazil, China, India want anything to do with our suprise murder suicide?
A US-EU war would have the rest of the world staying tf away, since they have nothing at all to gain.
As simply as I can state it without delving into geopolitics that I know I’m not qualified to claim authority on, if two world super-powers faced off in a full-scale war, not even nuclear, it wouldn’t be a quick spat, it wouldn’t be a couple wacky years as the rest of the world looks on, it will ravage everything, and everyone will get drawn in. Everyone.
But it’s worse than that, because it’s not even going to be a border-war, it’s going to be a strategic/ballistic war, that means bombings, and if you don’t think two powers at war with each other, bombing each other’s cities, aren’t going to eventually cow to public demand for nuclear retribution, maybe not in short term, but somewhere down the line as the original actors are long gone and new leaders have taken the reins, in a world far less stable and reasonable world, man do I have some Fermi-Paradox solutions to show you.
“It wont start ww2, its just a tiny conflict between germany and poland over Danzig”
Foreign officials making statements condemning the act, but not actually pursuing any consequences for the US. What they’ve been doing this whole time.
What exactly? Describe what actions the US has taken, and the milquetoast responses from the world. I’m sure they will all be equivalent to an occupation and theft of a sovereign country that belongs to the EU, as well as a signatory to NATO.
That’s a fair point, this is another level. But the US spends much, much more on its military than all of Europe and Canada combined.
Their economy depends on the other countries around the world. What do you suppose happens when the countries dump TBonds and the US dollar? What happens when the agriculture industry is destroyed when the potash stops? There are so many trade dependencies that disappear.
The US has had a golden ticket and they would throw it away. No more printing money. Good luck maintaining all of that military, especially spread out all over the world.
It’s frankly astonishing that the citizens of the US don’t understand that they established these systems of trade and finances to benefit them and make their country rich and so they could get low priced goods and abundance, and they got spoiled by it and assumed it was all due to their greatness. But they’re heavily dependent on it and it’s a different world once it’s gone.
The very definition of born on third and thought they hit a triple.
That would also crush EUs economy, and hurt all the wealthy/politicians. Many citizens would get angry, and probably vote the status quo out of power.
I agree that it still should be done, because the alternative would likely be worse. But, I think it’s unlikely to happen because the people who benefit the most from the way things are won’t willingly let it.
Complete and total cessation of trade with the US is extremely unlikely. Countries that have done worse still regularly engage in trade. Even if all of Europe stopped buying and selling with the US, Europe is 500 million people on a planet with 7 billion.
No, it still wouldn’t be good for anybody and Trump and his supporters are deluded dingbats but it wouldn’t isolate the US.
Actual occupation of a sovereign nation, not yet, threatening it multiple times against multiple places, yes. That should be more than enough to hit the US with sanctions or SOMETHING more than just words.
Speaking as a Canadian and repeating a comment from a few days ago that was in a different context.
If Trump/US invaded Greenland.
Pollievre (leader of Conservative party) - “yes Daddy invade them!”
Carney (leader of Liberal party & Canadian Government currently) - “Canada is alarmed by these actions and will continue to work collaboratively with its international partners to find a solution.”
We all know the Liberal response is the better one but it still means absolutely jack shit.
I agree with you on what we’ll hear, but I second the other comment: besides the speeches, Carney will move Canada further away from the US.
He started doing so without saying it too loudly. Only an idiot would not see it. The good thing is only one idiot needs to be fooled.
To escalate, he has multiple levers at his disposal: the everlasting hesitation between F35 and Gripen purchase, the tariffs on Chinese EV (if they were repelled, US car makers could be driven out of Canada’s market within just a few years). And of course dumping US bonds, but that would hurt Canada too.
How can Canada move away from the US? Our economies are heavily integrated we’re eachother’s biggest trading partners.
Canada makes parts for US cars, thats the justification used to follow US tariffs on chinese EVs, what hurts our big 4 hurts your factories.
Militarily its even worse. Unless you imagine Canada throwing out all the weapons systems which depend on US manufacturing and buying European(where they exist), Chinese, and Russian(the US would probably start pirating your cargo ships) systems instead, Canada’s options are be a part if America’s military force or not have modern weapons.
I happen to think you’re wrong. It would be political suicide. Carney has been working feverishly to diversify, and he would recognize that the majority of Canadians are done with the US. We either act decisively at Greenland, or we are finished. And if the people decide on that policy, it doesn’t really matter what the PM wants to do.
I’m ready to sacrifice, because this is existential for us.
I hope I’m wrong too btw
You think UK/France will nuke DC over Greenland?
Just stop sending us plastic shit and fresh food, once all the walmarts fold in the rural areas, the red wave will come to dc to protest emasse
No. Do you think nukes are the only option?
Militarily, yes.
You’re wrong, and anyway there are more than just military options.
For example there are devastating economic options. And generations-long wars of attrition and terror with neighboring countries that look like you and sound like you. The US sucks at occupation, even when they’re brown people on the other side of the world. Imagine they hide in plain sight.
You planning to kill everyone?
I don’t think there is anything in the French arsenal shy of a nuclear weapon that could deter a US advance.
I also haven’t seen anything to suggest the UK would oppose a US occupation of Greenland. If anything, they’d more likely offer a deal to facilitate it - especially if Parliament falls to Reform UK in the next few years
The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world. They can barely occupy a country full of illiterate goat herders that look and sound nothing like them. Even in Canada they might have immediate victories but they will be in for decades of war of attrition with an enemy that looks like them, talks like them, and can either pop in and out of thousands of acres of impassable muskegs and boreal forest, or hop over the impossibly long and similarly defensible border to attack inside the US, or just hide in plain sight to act like your friend until they’re not.
Unless they’re planning to destroy everything and kill everyone. So I guess they need to ask themselves how they feel living in the US after all that suffering, death and destruction.
Europe is not the “rest of the world”. They sit high and mighty now in judgement after raping the rest of the planet for 500 years and then culminating that in the two most destructive wars in human history and the greatest atrocity in the Holocaust. But it’s also a group of countries that spend far, far less on their militaries combined than the US does.
It’s not just about military spending. It doesn’t make you invincible.
The US has created a world tuned to give them all the economic advantages, and they are too stupid and arrogant to realize what happens when that all ends.
Since Its Birth the USA has only had 17 years of peace. None of those years have occurred since 1941. I don’t know how else you describe “a protracted war with the rest of the world”, but given the enormous economic growth over the last 85 years and the near-endless multi-theater conflicts the US has been engaged in over that period, I would say it can and it has.
The great thing about war is that it churns the economy. And Americans care more about economic growth than any other domestic policy. Would be a shame if everything was destroyed and everyone killed, because then we’d have nothing to enact war on in the following fiscal quarter.
Much easier to just keep the wars at a low simmer and “lose” them endlessly, while contractors and arms dealers grow fatter and happier ad infinitum.
The US has never really sacrificed in a war. They’ve never had any threat of invasion or hostility inside their borders. It’s charming that you think what the US has done in third world countries is war. Dropping troops half way across the planet to fight underdeveloped resource rich nations that never threaten you economically or militarily is not a war. The one time one of these conflicts came home, resulting in large scale unscheduled demolition in NYC, the country went apeshit and acted as if they were in their last moments, trashed their rights and freedoms and invoked article 5 - the only time in history - so that they could spend over a decade in Afghanistan and end up leaving after cashing in the blood of their young men and women to make oil companies and defense contractors rich.
The corpulent unwashed masses in the US are lazy and addicted to their comforts. They’ve never had a war on their borders.
Idk about that…
Pretty much a joke that the American public sector is a trainwreck thanks to how much we’ve squandered invading overseas.
Plenty of Americans have suffered and died to poverty, neglect, and the hideous environmental impact of the MIC, because so much of our economy is routed into immiserating others.
Yes, this was the right response, and you are correct.
I’m not claiming any ground here at all by the way. Canada has never suffered an invasion either.
It’s very easy to be flippant about the scale of suffering in WW2. The German invasion of Russia, translated to the US, would have been an invasion along the entire east coast that pushed from NYC as far in as Kansas City.
Do you think a European army is going to pull a D-Day across an ocean controlled by a navy 10x larger than all their forces combined?
The logistics of d-day and the following weeks were insane, and that was like 75 miles off allied coast protected by the 2 largest navies in the world.
Not what I’m suggesting.
I am noting that the US has never had a war with a bordering country that looks and sounds like them.
And I’m also pointing out that the US has never had a war with a country that can cripple their agriculture industry, sell off Tbonds and USD and crash their economy, nationalize their strategic assets and patents, and cut off power to the northeast. Then fight a war of attrition for a generation if needed.
War has been something that most in the US only watch on Fox News.
Finally, if the US did abandon its traditional allies, I suspect those former allies would be looking a lot more friendly with China, who would then be the main beneficiary to capitalize off of the conflict.
You do realize that missiles can reach the US yes? And they don’t need to be nuclear? It does not need to be boots on the ground in an organized invasion to cause enormous pain.
Do the citizens of the US really think they would be able to watch the world burn around them on Fox News and not feel any impacts?
All this for a bloated demented conman who rapes kids. Unreal.
… Venezuela.
…is rather different from Greenland, Denmark, EU and Canada.
Edit to add… But still depressing, don’t get me wrong.
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I agree, they are deliberately picking a “low-value” target to drive a wedge between the US and EU/Canada. Miller and Trump are panicked that they won’t finish the term and are trying to crank all the isolationist, fascist, hermit-empire world-building into one year.
Nobody wants to start World War 3 over Greenland, so it’s a testing ground for how far this administration can push their dumb agenda.
If he was a halfway intelligent dictator they would be negotiating for rights to set up a stronger US presence in Greenland and work through soft power, trade and other back-room negotiations, but they’re utter fucking morons so they’re trying to use hard power to divide alliances and threaten the world.
All we will get out of this deal is embargos on US goods and the slow, steady decline of the US superpower status as the rest of the world moves on and we slowly rust.
Are you Canadian?
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Like in in?
Not surprising, as you clearly know nothing about the geopolitical situation or the stakeholders.
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Do you honestly believe that Canada has no levers?
As I said, you don’t understand Canada or Canadians. If Greenland is occupied, Canada will be next, and we know this.
I understand you will laugh and dismiss others, this is typical American behaviour. Complete lack of awareness.
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Anything less than a strong reaction - including (to name just two) dumping Tbonds and cutting off exports (oil, potash, uranium, hydro power, softwood, etc) - will be unacceptable to most Canadians. If even one of those actions is taken by us, the US will be aggressive because they’ve set it up that way. They want to occupy Canada. They want a response and most Canadians are ready to give it to them. My family and I are ready to suffer and sacrifice. Are you?
I gather from your response you’re not Canadian so you really don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to my country.
Sorry to hear about the threats against your country. I’d have thought this might create allies, but it seems we have a fundamental personality impasse.
Or France or Poland