Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
Ukraine has institutionalized fascists that uphold Bandera, that banned all left parties, dissolve unions and privatize everything for western capital (textbook facism)
Putins Russia is right wing but doesn’t have the same amount institutionalized facism
I don’t subscribe to your great man theory understanding of politics. If Putin would suddenly decide to use the financial system to take the money and leave, or use it to feed the poor he’d get replaced by the Russian oligarchs
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
I am asserting that simping for an entire government of Hitler-worshipping goose steppers just because the news told you to does not, in fact, make you look better than us
Nobody has stated that Russia doesn’t have Nazis. The difference is that the Nazis in Russia aren’t at the levers of power in the government, nationalists are, while in Kiev the Banderites folded in Nazis officially and use fascist imagery at a state level.
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
You are pretending so desperately not to understand what you’re being told. Yes, nazis running an entire government are measurably worse for the world than nazis serving as cannon fodder. Ask 13,000 dead eastern Ukranians.
The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
You support Palestine yet you also support the nazi government that’s allied with Israel and spent 10 years doing ethnic cleansing of its own people? I guess humans are complicated!
Btw are you American and if so, who did you vote for?
“It’s just a piece of fabric bro! How dare you invade Germany Ukraine!”
If a nazi army is massacring thousands of people, they should be stopped, right?
“Oh but Russia-”
Cease your whataboutism, you useful idiot. The Russian intervention in Ukraine has been characterized by an aversion to civillian casualties unseen in modern wars, magnitudes less than the US invasion of Iraq, for example. My Arma buddy in Odessa still has power, heating, clean water and internet, four things the RF could and would easily remove if they were actually waging a war against Ukraine’s people and not it’s fascist US puppet government. You have to pretend otherwise though, you have to pretend they’re doing what Ukraine’s ally Israel is doing, because that’s the only way you can justify cheering for seig heiling, terror bombing, raping, torturing, for-the-glory-of-the-white-race fucking neo nazis. Your willful ignorance is pathetic, and one day you and every other morally vacuous imperialist will pretend you never supported this, just like every other nazi supporter after they start and lose a war of ethnic cleansing. Time is a flat circle.
Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
You’re right, which is why I want both of them to lose.
Based mods. And fuck off if you’re trying to normalize facism
Fuck fascism.
Ukraine is not fascist… Putin’s Russia is…
Ukraine has institutionalized fascists that uphold Bandera, that banned all left parties, dissolve unions and privatize everything for western capital (textbook facism)
Putins Russia is right wing but doesn’t have the same amount institutionalized facism
Russia’s entire financial system goes through one man. That’s the definition of fascism…
I don’t subscribe to your great man theory understanding of politics. If Putin would suddenly decide to use the financial system to take the money and leave, or use it to feed the poor he’d get replaced by the Russian oligarchs
I don’t think we’ve had enough of a discussion for you to know my political theory. Sus canned response. Take care.
What do you think this is?
Literally saying out loud you got banned for doing nazi apologia and acting like people should be outraged for your cause
Lemmy is indeed fucking overrun with this shit
I’m not apologizing for nazis. The fuck are you talking about?
Listen you need to shut the fuck up about the nazis running the country I am doing war crime apologia for because
I t ’ s C o m p l i c a t e d
OMG FUCK YOU SAYING I’M DEFENDING NAZIS
and scene
Just like Israel! It’s c o m p l I c a t e d! But anyway have I told you how
HamasRussia is worse??Lemmy was created by communists, the communists have been here since the start of Lemmy.
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
Soooo, what are you asserting by this photo?
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
Your whataboutism is utterly staggering.
You responded to evidence of Ukrainian Nazis by deflecting to Russia, and then you accuse other people of whataboutism
I am asserting that simping for an entire government of Hitler-worshipping goose steppers just because the news told you to does not, in fact, make you look better than us
You seem to think it gives the people who wear it permission
Whataboutism is when you talk about the thing we’re talking about and not the thing I’m trying to divert to
It’s not just a meaningless mouth noise I use to stop having to engage. I’m a real person not an npc
RUSSIAN
RUSSIAN
RUSSIAN
RUSSIAN
RUSSIAN
Nobody has stated that Russia doesn’t have Nazis. The difference is that the Nazis in Russia aren’t at the levers of power in the government, nationalists are, while in Kiev the Banderites folded in Nazis officially and use fascist imagery at a state level.
From davel’s compilation, again:
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
OHHHH, so now your Nazis aren’t as bad as their Nazis?
You need a hand hauling those goalposts around?
You are pretending so desperately not to understand what you’re being told. Yes, nazis running an entire government are measurably worse for the world than nazis serving as cannon fodder. Ask 13,000 dead eastern Ukranians.
Imagine a continuum of nazis with ‘dead’ (good) on one side and ‘in total control of a country’ (bad) on the other
Ukrainian nazis are among the worst today
The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
use words
They said “Russian,” that’s a word. Not really a point tho.
“I’m a real person not an NPC!”
Someone sounds upset. I would imagine the cognitive dissonance of trying to defend genocide gets pretty stressful after a while.
You have my sympathies.
And you were accusing other people of having nothing but whataboutism and name-calling
my parting shot is about your lack of willingness to engage in good faith
your paring shot is just weepy passive aggression
we are not the same
Thank the fucking gods for that. I have an intact set of morals and ethics.
Setting aside your support of nazis, ethnic cleansing, imperialism and war crimes
you don’t even have debate ethics
Stop having self esteem. It’s dishonest.
It probably does, luckily you won’t have to defend nazis for too much longer
Libs be like “Everything is genocide except for actual genocide, which is c o m p l I c a t e d”
Free Palestine
Sorry, but you don’t get to rope in a separate conflict like you have a moral high ground because you support Palestine. So do I.
Turns out, we can agree on one issue while being diametrically opposed on another.
Aren’t humans…complicated.
You support Palestine yet you also support the nazi government that’s allied with Israel and spent 10 years doing ethnic cleansing of its own people? I guess humans are complicated!
Btw are you American and if so, who did you vote for?
“It’s just a piece of fabric bro! How dare you invade
GermanyUkraine!”If a nazi army is massacring thousands of people, they should be stopped, right?
“Oh but Russia-”
Cease your whataboutism, you useful idiot. The Russian intervention in Ukraine has been characterized by an aversion to civillian casualties unseen in modern wars, magnitudes less than the US invasion of Iraq, for example. My Arma buddy in Odessa still has power, heating, clean water and internet, four things the RF could and would easily remove if they were actually waging a war against Ukraine’s people and not it’s fascist US puppet government. You have to pretend otherwise though, you have to pretend they’re doing what Ukraine’s ally Israel is doing, because that’s the only way you can justify cheering for seig heiling, terror bombing, raping, torturing, for-the-glory-of-the-white-race fucking neo nazis. Your willful ignorance is pathetic, and one day you and every other morally vacuous imperialist will pretend you never supported this, just like every other nazi supporter after they start and lose a war of ethnic cleansing. Time is a flat circle.