Nobody has stated that Russia doesn’t have Nazis. The difference is that the Nazis in Russia aren’t at the levers of power in the government, nationalists are, while in Kiev the Banderites folded in Nazis officially and use fascist imagery at a state level.
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
You are pretending so desperately not to understand what you’re being told. Yes, nazis running an entire government are measurably worse for the world than nazis serving as cannon fodder. Ask 13,000 dead eastern Ukranians.
The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
I’m not justifying war crimes committed by Russia, nor am I justifying the mountain of war crimes committed by Kiev over the last decade. Letting the Banderites walk into Donetsk and Luhansk and slaughter people would have been bad, plain and simple.
No? Never denied that Russia has committed war crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Seems to be hard for you to admit that Nazis are running Ukraine and have been committing war crimes for a decade, though, and that this is worse than what Russia is doing, which is why the Donbass region supports Russia, with Donetsk and Luhansk voting to join the Russian Federation.
You support Palestine yet you also support the nazi government that’s allied with Israel and spent 10 years doing ethnic cleansing of its own people? I guess humans are complicated!
Btw are you American and if so, who did you vote for?
You seem to think it gives the people who wear it permission
Whataboutism is when you talk about the thing we’re talking about and not the thing I’m trying to divert to
It’s not just a meaningless mouth noise I use to stop having to engage. I’m a real person not an npc
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Nobody has stated that Russia doesn’t have Nazis. The difference is that the Nazis in Russia aren’t at the levers of power in the government, nationalists are, while in Kiev the Banderites folded in Nazis officially and use fascist imagery at a state level.
From davel’s compilation, again:
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
OHHHH, so now your Nazis aren’t as bad as their Nazis?
You need a hand hauling those goalposts around?
You are pretending so desperately not to understand what you’re being told. Yes, nazis running an entire government are measurably worse for the world than nazis serving as cannon fodder. Ask 13,000 dead eastern Ukranians.
Except Ukraine’s government is not run by nazis…
You are brainwashed.
Imagine a continuum of nazis with ‘dead’ (good) on one side and ‘in total control of a country’ (bad) on the other
Ukrainian nazis are among the worst today
The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
And, coming back all the way around to my original point, how does this justify the mountain of Russian war crimes?
Did the people of Bucha deserve to die?
Did the apartment buildings, hospitals, restaurants, and schools bombed indiscriminately by Shaheds deserve it?
There is no evidence you can offer that excuses or justifies Russia’s actions. None. Ever.
I’m not justifying war crimes committed by Russia, nor am I justifying the mountain of war crimes committed by Kiev over the last decade. Letting the Banderites walk into Donetsk and Luhansk and slaughter people would have been bad, plain and simple.
Shockingly, you and I agree on something.
Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine.
Was that so hard?
No? Never denied that Russia has committed war crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Seems to be hard for you to admit that Nazis are running Ukraine and have been committing war crimes for a decade, though, and that this is worse than what Russia is doing, which is why the Donbass region supports Russia, with Donetsk and Luhansk voting to join the Russian Federation.
use words
They said “Russian,” that’s a word. Not really a point tho.
“I’m a real person not an NPC!”
Someone sounds upset. I would imagine the cognitive dissonance of trying to defend genocide gets pretty stressful after a while.
You have my sympathies.
And you were accusing other people of having nothing but whataboutism and name-calling
my parting shot is about your lack of willingness to engage in good faith
your paring shot is just weepy passive aggression
we are not the same
Thank the fucking gods for that. I have an intact set of morals and ethics.
Setting aside your support of nazis, ethnic cleansing, imperialism and war crimes
you don’t even have debate ethics
Stop having self esteem. It’s dishonest.
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It probably does, luckily you won’t have to defend nazis for too much longer
Libs be like “Everything is genocide except for actual genocide, which is c o m p l I c a t e d”
Free Palestine
Sorry, but you don’t get to rope in a separate conflict like you have a moral high ground because you support Palestine. So do I.
Turns out, we can agree on one issue while being diametrically opposed on another.
Aren’t humans…complicated.
You support Palestine yet you also support the nazi government that’s allied with Israel and spent 10 years doing ethnic cleansing of its own people? I guess humans are complicated!
Btw are you American and if so, who did you vote for?
Like I’m going to dox myself. I guarantee you, I’m not from where you’d think.
Yeah you just don’t want to admit that you voted for Palestinian genocide lol