The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
I’m not justifying war crimes committed by Russia, nor am I justifying the mountain of war crimes committed by Kiev over the last decade. Letting the Banderites walk into Donetsk and Luhansk and slaughter people would have been bad, plain and simple.
No? Never denied that Russia has committed war crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Seems to be hard for you to admit that Nazis are running Ukraine and have been committing war crimes for a decade, though, and that this is worse than what Russia is doing, which is why the Donbass region supports Russia, with Donetsk and Luhansk voting to join the Russian Federation.
On 7 October 2014 in Zuhres, 53-year-old Ukrainian Ihor Kozhoma, who was trying to take his wife out of the occupied territory, was tied to a column and tortured for several hours by Russians and local separatists.
Did he deserve to be tortured and killed?
Donetsk civilian resident Iryna Dovhan was publicly tortured for her pro-Ukrainian position in August 2014.
Did she deserve to be tortured?
A member of Human Rights Watch witnessed the exhumation of a mass grave in Sloviansk that was uncovered after insurgents retreated from the city.
Did those people deserve to be murdered and flung in a ditch?
yeah it’s horrible that two innocent people on your side got killed in the context of a violent coup that overthrew democracy for your side’s benefit and the ethnic cleansing of 13 thousand people
Did the 13,000+ civilians between 2014 and 2022 by the Banderite regime deserve it? Have a Reuters link and a link to OSCE itself. Toss in Human Rights Watch for good measure.
The shelling of a school, a kindergarten, and residential areas along the line of contact in eastern Ukraine on February 17, 2022, apparently by Russia-backed armed groups, injured civilians and damaged civilian infrastructure, Human Rights Watch said today.
Bro, you’re so bad at this that you’re providing me evidence for MY argument.
Russia-backed armed groups in the Luhansk region and the Ukrainian government blamed each other for the attack. Several military experts, including the open source media group Bellingcat, said that the spray pattern from the impact crater from the shell in the yard was consistent with the attack coming from the south, the direction of Russia-backed armed groups’ positions.
The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.
And, coming back all the way around to my original point, how does this justify the mountain of Russian war crimes?
Did the people of Bucha deserve to die?
Did the apartment buildings, hospitals, restaurants, and schools bombed indiscriminately by Shaheds deserve it?
There is no evidence you can offer that excuses or justifies Russia’s actions. None. Ever.
I’m not justifying war crimes committed by Russia, nor am I justifying the mountain of war crimes committed by Kiev over the last decade. Letting the Banderites walk into Donetsk and Luhansk and slaughter people would have been bad, plain and simple.
Shockingly, you and I agree on something.
Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine.
Was that so hard?
No? Never denied that Russia has committed war crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Seems to be hard for you to admit that Nazis are running Ukraine and have been committing war crimes for a decade, though, and that this is worse than what Russia is doing, which is why the Donbass region supports Russia, with Donetsk and Luhansk voting to join the Russian Federation.
On 7 October 2014 in Zuhres, 53-year-old Ukrainian Ihor Kozhoma, who was trying to take his wife out of the occupied territory, was tied to a column and tortured for several hours by Russians and local separatists.
Did he deserve to be tortured and killed?
Donetsk civilian resident Iryna Dovhan was publicly tortured for her pro-Ukrainian position in August 2014.
Did she deserve to be tortured?
A member of Human Rights Watch witnessed the exhumation of a mass grave in Sloviansk that was uncovered after insurgents retreated from the city.
Did those people deserve to be murdered and flung in a ditch?
yeah it’s horrible that two innocent people on your side got killed in the context of a violent coup that overthrew democracy for your side’s benefit and the ethnic cleansing of 13 thousand people
Did the 13,000+ civilians between 2014 and 2022 by the Banderite regime deserve it? Have a Reuters link and a link to OSCE itself. Toss in Human Rights Watch for good measure.
Second link only discusses total ceasefire violations, and doesn’t mention A SINGLE FATALITY.
What are you even doing, man?
Ceasefire violations, famous for having 0 casualties or fatalities.
Bro, you’re so bad at this that you’re providing me evidence for MY argument.
Actual examination of shelling shows that it’s Kiev that’s guilty. The HRW reports on the shelling and humanitarian impact, while playing vague at who actually was guilty.
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Are you making the point that Russians are genetically evil, no matter the time period or mode of production?
I’d guess all the Ukranian Jews killed by Banderite Holocaust collaborators in world War 2 would have a different opinion too, whats your point?