Serious question, I have no idea. Is there an established tradition, sequence of events, rule?
I just asked some kids, and they said they’d come later and secretly do some trick on me, but they didn’t seem too sure about it either.
This in Europe btw.
An adult did this to me when I was a kid and got mad when I started spraying them with silly string.
Its a game for kids. No kids want to damage property because they dont get free candy.
Of course they are confused when you say trick, because its supposed to not happen. Adults are supposed to understand its a game… Sigh.
Really? Two days later, you make a top level comment that ends in “sigh” without checking how the discussion developed meanwhile? …sigh…
Why does it matter how the discussion evolved? I dont think my opinion will change based on that… Or what am i missing.
That’s when I juggle knives for you.
Yes, I own a set of purpose-buily juggling knives.
Thought about doing fire this year, but I worked late, it was raining, and I didn’t get a chance to do a few days of practice to make sure I’d be in good form to safely do it
Your house gets egged
Or toilet papered
When I was a kid it was shaving cream. Take a can, put a needle in the nozzle, then melt the nozzle with a cigarette lighter. Once it’s cooled pull the pin out so you have a pinhole nozzle. It’ll spray the shaving cream ten feet or more.
I honestly forget how I learned that trick…
One year I learned it was a valid option, I prepared card tricks and wore a t-shirt that said “It’s OK to choose trick” or something like that, and not one person chose trick. I remember being vaguely disappointed.
The trick is property damage…
It doesn’t have to be.
It’s not the kids who choose. They say “trick or treat” because if you don’t give them a treat, they will trick you. By vandalizing your house. That’s the tradition.
I’ve tried it with younger kids 8-10 and older kids (11-13). When I said “Ok I’ll take the trick then.” they just stand there with a confused look on their face. Even if I explain that I don’t want to give you candy, so go ahead and trick me, I’ve only had one kid who said “What’s that? and pointed over my shoulder.” The others continued to stand there confused or started to walk away.
Nice. Too many kids have to be prompted to even use the incantation “trick or treat” much less pay attention to the words
Someone has to teach those little gangstas how extortion is done.
Well at least you tried…
My neighbor choosey trick each year. He lives at the top of hill with a long driveway and leaves out joke treats. I think it was a bucket of frozen fish this year
Here, it used to be your house got egged or trees/shrubs tp’d
Trick or treat is actually a social contract you give treats so kids don’t eggs your house
But is it ever happening this way?
Do people really answer “trick” when asked?
Or rather anything from “no treat, sorry” to “fuck off you lousy brats”?
How does the ritual continue then? What do the kids answer?
And then, do they vandalize that person’s property, usually, or are there other types of tricks?
Do they do it immediately, or do they circle back later, secretly?PS: Egging or TPing would require the kids to come prepared for that outcome. That’s another thing I’m wondering about. Do kids really do that these days, if so where.
It used to! Kids would steal wood, break down fences, take outdoor furniture, and use it to build a big bonfire in the center of their towns. They would egg houses and run wild.
Modern trick-or-treating and Halloween parties were invented to counter this destructive behavior, actually. Tasting History did a pretty cool episode on it.
It used to!
That’s the impression I’m getting overall. From the presumably USian comments - for those that got Halloween via the US, it probably never was.
The video tells an amazing story (starts about 6min in, ends at about 16min in). Apparently Halloween as it was in the 19th century was a mix of traditions from different cultures, partly even the result of culture clash. And the introduction of candy in the early 20th century was aimed at placating the little rowdies, invented by ladies that remind me of the temperance movement.
In light of that we should celebrate kids that still cling to the old ways!
Seriously though, most cultures have traditions of at least one day per year where mischief is allowed, and I like it.
Bonus, from the video:
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You just come back after candy getting hours. Why waste treat time tricking? That’s what sugar rushes are for
My family never really did Halloween.
I mean I kinda went trick-or-treating for the first 2 Halloweens in NYC, but then I just felt like it was too childish. But I was 10, idk who I’m calling childish, I was literally still a child, maybe its the social anxiety.
We never gave out candy (I mean… we were literally broke ourselves), and idk what this “you’ll get egged” come from, that never happened.
Halloween is huge in the suburbs, not so much in the city. I lived in the city for almost 20 years and my doorbell never rang once on Halloween. People don’t even really decorate.
The threat of a trick is just for fun, though. If someone answered the door, they are giving you candy. If they don’t, oh well! To the next house! Pranks like throwing toilet paper or egging (way less common) was for friends, enemies, and random houses. And that was teenagers doing it, not trick or treaters.
I’m back in the suburbs this year and am really looking forward to it starting in 2 hours. I have a ton of candy and homemade dog treats! I’m gonna ask them what their trick would be…maybe I’ll come back and share some of the funny ones.
Brooklyn, NY did Halloween.
I remember in like 2010 or 2011 going up and down the entire 86th street for like 3-7 block. Sooo many people, some stores ran out, or maybe they lied and didn’t participate and just had a big “NO CANDY” sign on the door.
Ah, memories. I was so nervous at the time, but in hindsight, that was a good memory. Such innocent me. I got so nervoid when I saw classmate lol, like the idea of seeing classmated outside of school was so terrifying to me. Like… embarassment was my top fear at the time, now… the fears are so much more political.
This is anecdotal but I’m born and raised in nyc and if I got raisins the house got eggs and apt doors got eggs too
I egged 1 house out of retaliation back in the day. My friends and I were like 14- 15at the time, and were taking out our siblings, then going tp 2 parties, an earlier chaperoned house party, then a bonfire in the woods, after we dropped them back off.
One house were complete dicks to the younger kids, made my friend’s little sister cry making fun of her costume. So we all went home as planned, but grabbed our eggs, and stashed them nearby the first party, along with out supplies for the second party. When we left the chaperoned party at like 11, we swung back by the offending house on our bikes, pelted their house with ~3 dozen eggs, aiming for the wood shingles and up high, knowing it would be a bitch to clean, then rode off to our bonfire party splitting up for the first half of the ride in case they called the cops.
I lived in brooklyn and never got egged or anything. Its was a multi-family unit that we rented. If we did get egged, then we didn’t hear about it because that’s the landlord’s problem. (There are 2 sets of doors, they have to get in the outer door before they could get into the hallway area.)
Would be a reeel shame…
Instead of kisses, you get kicked.
Relevant song. And a good one.
Mark Twain talks about tipping over outhouse and other pranks as the main activity on Halloween. So I guess if we assume he’s an honest narrator of his time (definitely in doubt…) then trick or treating is a mass extortion
According to this he wasn’t exaggerating. Tricks, pranks, theft and vandalism used to be the default; candy and organised parties were introduced later to placate the rowdies.
Immediate civilizational collapse.
Time to rip the Band-Aid off.
That’s how you get egged and/or TPd.
So how does that work, what does the ritual demand then? Do kids do it immediately or do they circle back later? Do they come prepared for that outcome? And why would any adult ever answer like that if they know that’s what’s going to happen? Or is it enough to not open the door? Or to say I have no treats? Do you have personal experience of such outcomes?
We’d wait until nobody was around and then sneak out with eggs a d toilet paper and then cover your house in it.
Typically circle back late. Normally the adolescent ones without guardians. You wake up and house is in a state in need of cleaning.
Typically, home outer light needs to be on to signal you are open for giving treats. So no rational adult would not have a treat as that is a dick move. Some leave out containers of candies as offerings to avoid outcome if it they aren’t home.
If no candy, money is always acceptable! I heard a story of old lady giving rolls of coins once. Doubt kid will say no to money.
In some ways money is actually better than candy.
9/10 Dentists agree
I grew up in the 80s and we never had any tricks. Older generations did, it wasn’t nice. Like they’d break stuff. Decorations, pumpkins, nothing major. But we never did
Older generations did
So what’s the ritual? You come to the house, say trick or treat, I’m guessing the adult never answers “trick” but rather fuck off or no treat. What then? Do the kids immediately start wrecking?
No. My experience growing up in Appalachia in the 80’s was the kids (who were older 15-20) were not trick or treating. They were just going out to cause mayhem. Houses where I lived were far enough apart (miles) that you trick or treated by auto. I remember several Halloweens that were disrupted because someone had cut a tree down across the road blocking it. One memorable Halloween someone piled old tires under an overpass and set them on fire preventing anyone from proceeding further.
No one says eff off to the kids. If you’re not participating you turn your porch/outside lights off and kids know not to visit your house. They just move on. 99% of the stories are mischief makers or someone who has a problem with you prior to Halloween. (Like you are a teacher or something.)
Posted the full story above, but one time back in the late 90s, we hit a house in retaliation for them being dicks to our younger siblings. In our town it was fair game not to participate, especially since its a seasonal town, so more than half the houses are empty by October anyway.
But these guys opened the door, said they were out of candy, but that the kids costumes were shitty so they didnt deserve any anyway, and made my friends sister cry mocking the fairy costume she’d put together herself. Pretty sure they were drunk.
So we came back a couple hours later when the lights were out, covered their 2nd story wood shingles in eggs to maximize the difficulty of cleaning up, then bailed on out way to the party.
