Kind of seems like you are, can’t really think of any other good reason you’d be on here bothering people like this. You’re not helping win anyone to your cause by doing it, you’re not adding anything useful to any discussions, you’re note even particularly funny or interesting, so I can only assume you just enjoy being a prick, and this gives you an excuse to do it.
Unless you’re getting paid to do it, which is certainly a possibility.
There is always the possibility that you are getting paid to shut down anyone who says to do more than just a biannual protest. 🤷♂️
So, I assume you enjoy the direction that the United States is going? I assume you enjoy the current effectiveness of the No Kings protesting (zero change)?
Will you continue to ignore those direct questions, essentially proving me correct?
Do you know that there is a state between peaceful protesting and killing people? Or can you only see in black-and-white?
There certainly is a possibility, but if either or both of us are paid shills this conversation won’t go anywhere so let’s go ahead and discount that possibility.
What do you mean “continue” to ignore these direct questions? So far you’ve just been accusing me of being maga for some reason, you haven’t been asking any questions.
And yes, so far I’m quite happy with what no kings (and other protests) have achieved. There’s still a long way to go but we are slowly waking people up to the fact that things are not ok and that they need to do something.
Yes more people need to be doing more, but great masses of people are slow to mobilize. If we can’t even get most people to show up to a protest that is more of a party than anything, how the hell do you think you’re going to get people to go from 0-100, from doing nothing to taking more direct action? You’re certainly not going to get them to do it by browbeating them over not doing enough, they have to want to do more.
Every new person who shows up to a protest is someone who’s taking that first step towards more action than they were the day before. Some of them may never be convinced to take more direct action, that’s just the way the world is, but some of them will and they have to learn to crawl before they can walk and eventually run.
And people like you are doing nothing to encourage them, in fact you scare them away.
And even if they don’t take direct action themselves, since they’re more aware of what’s going on and what’s at stake, it means they might be more likely to lend support to those who are when they’re able, or at least turn a blind eye to them.
Do not split.
And I think your premise is flawed. There really isn’t much if any space between peaceful and killing. There’s a lot that you can do under the category of peaceful protest, including a lot that we haven’t started doing in any great scale and need to start, but once violence is introduced, killing is not far off. It doesn’t take much to kill a person, people die all the time from stupid accidents tripping over their own feet, one shove or thrown punch and some bad luck could be all it takes, so the moment you’ve decided to escalate from peaceful protest to violent action, you have opened the door for killing, and once you’ve set that precedent, you had better have the numbers behind you to continue down that road and win if the other side decides to respond the same way.
This is exhausting. There’s a lot of stuff that can be done that is not peaceful, but not killing. Direct action does not have to be taken against humans. There are lots of physical things that could be done to non-humans.
As an example, in Portland they put up a bunch of posters all over town. That’s a good start, but what we really need to do is find the home locations of ice employees and put those posters on their homes. No one died, but the people supporting fascism start to feel the heat.
More visible graffiti calling for more direct action is also a pretty low effort way to make sure People can’t forget what’s going on. If a person driving to work Is constantly reminded of reality, they can’t ignore it (as much).
So yes, there are plenty of things we can do besides standing on the street with signs and besides killing people.
If you’re exhausted, you can stop anytime you want.
Those are examples of peaceful protest. They’re a necessary escalation from where we are now, but we still need to warm people up to taking that kind of action.
That’s not “peaceful” in the way MOST people think of peaceful. Criminal activity is not “peaceful.”
And yes but, warm up doesn’t happen when people like you shut down people saying standing around isn’t enough. I get that you don’t like how I’m saying it, and I am very willing to consider a different message if you want to help me find it.
We are running out of time to do this. I’m hoping November becomes a real hard kick in the face for a lot of people.
For starters, if you want to find your new message, just stop being an asshole to people who are trying to be more engaged and celebrating the steps that people are taking
What you want to be doing is basically the old improv technique of “Yes, and…”
"It’s great that you showed up to protest. If you want to do more to help these causes you can…
Help put up these posters
Hand out these pamphlets near home Depot
Use these resources to report ICE sightings
Make sure you show up to vote
Boycott these companies
Show up to the next protest and bring some friends so that they can start helping too
Etc.
As far as people not considering criminal activity to be peaceful protest, consider, for example, sit-ins or Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, etc. I don’t think anyone would consider those to be anything but peaceful, but yet those were criminal acts, trespassing for example. When you provide that sort of context, it helps people open their minds to other ways
But seriously, start by just not being a disagreeable prick. You’re not helping anyone.
Buddy, you started this disagreement between you and I. Not me. You initialized it. You got triggered at a comment not to you, and attacked. So if anyone needs to stop being an asshole it’s you. You’re just as disagreeable as me.
Oh, and I’m already doing those things. I’m not the one who needs to be convinced. It’s the people who need their hands held… and if they can’t help themselves by now, they deserve the inevitable.
You’re posting on a public forum, every comment you make is directed at everyone who can see it. If you don’t want people inserting themselves into a conversation, take it to their DMs.
Good for you that you’re doing those things elsewhere, now stop shooting yourself in the foot by being counterproductive and scaring people away on Lemmy.
Kind of seems like you are, can’t really think of any other good reason you’d be on here bothering people like this. You’re not helping win anyone to your cause by doing it, you’re not adding anything useful to any discussions, you’re note even particularly funny or interesting, so I can only assume you just enjoy being a prick, and this gives you an excuse to do it.
Unless you’re getting paid to do it, which is certainly a possibility.
There is always the possibility that you are getting paid to shut down anyone who says to do more than just a biannual protest. 🤷♂️
So, I assume you enjoy the direction that the United States is going? I assume you enjoy the current effectiveness of the No Kings protesting (zero change)?
Will you continue to ignore those direct questions, essentially proving me correct?
Do you know that there is a state between peaceful protesting and killing people? Or can you only see in black-and-white?
There certainly is a possibility, but if either or both of us are paid shills this conversation won’t go anywhere so let’s go ahead and discount that possibility.
What do you mean “continue” to ignore these direct questions? So far you’ve just been accusing me of being maga for some reason, you haven’t been asking any questions.
And yes, so far I’m quite happy with what no kings (and other protests) have achieved. There’s still a long way to go but we are slowly waking people up to the fact that things are not ok and that they need to do something.
Yes more people need to be doing more, but great masses of people are slow to mobilize. If we can’t even get most people to show up to a protest that is more of a party than anything, how the hell do you think you’re going to get people to go from 0-100, from doing nothing to taking more direct action? You’re certainly not going to get them to do it by browbeating them over not doing enough, they have to want to do more.
Every new person who shows up to a protest is someone who’s taking that first step towards more action than they were the day before. Some of them may never be convinced to take more direct action, that’s just the way the world is, but some of them will and they have to learn to crawl before they can walk and eventually run.
And people like you are doing nothing to encourage them, in fact you scare them away.
And even if they don’t take direct action themselves, since they’re more aware of what’s going on and what’s at stake, it means they might be more likely to lend support to those who are when they’re able, or at least turn a blind eye to them.
Do not split.
And I think your premise is flawed. There really isn’t much if any space between peaceful and killing. There’s a lot that you can do under the category of peaceful protest, including a lot that we haven’t started doing in any great scale and need to start, but once violence is introduced, killing is not far off. It doesn’t take much to kill a person, people die all the time from stupid accidents tripping over their own feet, one shove or thrown punch and some bad luck could be all it takes, so the moment you’ve decided to escalate from peaceful protest to violent action, you have opened the door for killing, and once you’ve set that precedent, you had better have the numbers behind you to continue down that road and win if the other side decides to respond the same way.
This is exhausting. There’s a lot of stuff that can be done that is not peaceful, but not killing. Direct action does not have to be taken against humans. There are lots of physical things that could be done to non-humans.
As an example, in Portland they put up a bunch of posters all over town. That’s a good start, but what we really need to do is find the home locations of ice employees and put those posters on their homes. No one died, but the people supporting fascism start to feel the heat.
More visible graffiti calling for more direct action is also a pretty low effort way to make sure People can’t forget what’s going on. If a person driving to work Is constantly reminded of reality, they can’t ignore it (as much).
So yes, there are plenty of things we can do besides standing on the street with signs and besides killing people.
If you’re exhausted, you can stop anytime you want.
Those are examples of peaceful protest. They’re a necessary escalation from where we are now, but we still need to warm people up to taking that kind of action.
That’s not “peaceful” in the way MOST people think of peaceful. Criminal activity is not “peaceful.”
And yes but, warm up doesn’t happen when people like you shut down people saying standing around isn’t enough. I get that you don’t like how I’m saying it, and I am very willing to consider a different message if you want to help me find it.
We are running out of time to do this. I’m hoping November becomes a real hard kick in the face for a lot of people.
For starters, if you want to find your new message, just stop being an asshole to people who are trying to be more engaged and celebrating the steps that people are taking
What you want to be doing is basically the old improv technique of “Yes, and…”
"It’s great that you showed up to protest. If you want to do more to help these causes you can…
Help put up these posters
Hand out these pamphlets near home Depot
Use these resources to report ICE sightings
Make sure you show up to vote
Boycott these companies
Show up to the next protest and bring some friends so that they can start helping too
Etc.
As far as people not considering criminal activity to be peaceful protest, consider, for example, sit-ins or Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, etc. I don’t think anyone would consider those to be anything but peaceful, but yet those were criminal acts, trespassing for example. When you provide that sort of context, it helps people open their minds to other ways
But seriously, start by just not being a disagreeable prick. You’re not helping anyone.
Buddy, you started this disagreement between you and I. Not me. You initialized it. You got triggered at a comment not to you, and attacked. So if anyone needs to stop being an asshole it’s you. You’re just as disagreeable as me.
Oh, and I’m already doing those things. I’m not the one who needs to be convinced. It’s the people who need their hands held… and if they can’t help themselves by now, they deserve the inevitable.
You’re posting on a public forum, every comment you make is directed at everyone who can see it. If you don’t want people inserting themselves into a conversation, take it to their DMs.
Good for you that you’re doing those things elsewhere, now stop shooting yourself in the foot by being counterproductive and scaring people away on Lemmy.