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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

But according to the libs round here, ChInA BaDDDDddd

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But according to the libs round here, ChInA BaDDDDddd

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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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  • village604@adultswim.fan
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    China is by no means a socialist country.

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      The PRC is a mixed economy, with the planned, socialist sector dominant, and a limited/restricted private sector.

      Is China State Capitalist?

      • The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
      • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
      • Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
      • Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
      • Is the CPC committed to communism?
      • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
      • The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
      • Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
      • Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
      • Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
      • Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
      • What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
      • How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?, 2
      • Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2
      • Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
      • Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
      • Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
      • China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
      • Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
      • How the State runs business in China.
      • 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP.
      • China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students.
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          i won’t read or learn; in fact no one will bother

          that attitude isn’t helping your argument.

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              you don’t care at all, yet you just came here to angrily respond 🤔

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    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      Maybe spend a bit of time learning what words mean before using them.

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        I know what words mean. China is a socialist market economy, which is not socialism.

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          imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣

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          Cope

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      The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the working class is in control of the state while capitalists are suppressed and prevented from expanding into those principal firms and industries. It’s been socialist since the CPC successfully overthrew the nationalists.

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        I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement.

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          The communists overthrew the nationalists, and since then public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Democracy was expanded and is comprehensively surveyed from the bottom-up, and capitalists are kept in check by the socialist state.

          What exactly do you want to read about? That’s a broad question, if you narrow it down a bit I might be able to give you a more focused answer.

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            What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point.

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              Public ownership doesn’t mean receipt of dividends, like some kind of massive cooperative. It means owned across all of society. The state handles that in socialism, yes, China is socialist.

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                OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that.

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                  The state is an extension of the ruling class, it isn’t an independent entity. Ownership of the state is largely determined by which aspect is principle, private ownership, public ownership, etc. In China, public, collective ownership is principle, and the communists created a socialist state after overthrowing the nationalists.

                  I’m not seeing your point.

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                    You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that.

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        China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy.

        You can’t have a stock market and be a socialist economy.

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          Socialist market economies are a type of socialist economy, particularly in the primary stage. Socialism isn’t a unique mode of production determined by purity, but just like the others, by its principle aspect. What might help paint a better picture for you is looking at Cheng Enfu’s diagram of the stages of socialism:

          China presently is in the primary stage, but is at this point well along to the next stage, the intermediate. These aren’t hard lines or jumps, but gradually worked through and towards.

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          Cope

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