I saw the whole RFK and CDC debacle, how the agency is being weaponized to be antivax, and I cannot for the life of me understand what is happening. What does RFK has to gain with stopping vacines? What does the government gains from it? It cannot be just for show political streght, is it? Just to say “ha, in your face!” and then cause huge troubles for themselves down the road? There must be something they will have right now. But what is it? Money? Contracts? Favours?

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    The Right hates the idea of an effective government that works for the people. They will tell you the the New Deal was a failure even though FDR was elected four times.

    RFK is a useful idiot. The richest are going to get great healthcare no matter what. But if they can break people’s idea that the government is there to help them, then the Right can break OSHA, laws that protect consumer rights, and anything else that keeps them from making more money.

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    RFK has a business selling snake oil. All those at the root of the antivaxx movement (and iirc that’s only 7 people) have something to sell.

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    They’re working off of incorrect information & ideas. They think people will be better off not getting vaccinated. They genuinely think they’re doing a good thing. They don’t think we’ll have resurgences of diseases at any large scale because they don’t attribute the disappearance of those diseases to vaccines. They believe society will be relieved from some vaccine induced “side-effects” like increased autism (or 5G mind control… or whatever… it’s hard to keep track of their nonsense).

    Since they accept the above falsehoods; they don’t need to “get” anything. They’re as certain stopping vaccinations will help the general population as I am that it will do harm. But some idiot(s) put them in charge so they get to execute on their campaign promises.

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      They genuinely think they’re doing a good thing.

      No they don’t. Some are simply stupid, others are genuinely evil.

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        They absolutely think they are doing good…

        Pretty unanimously, the most evil people to walk the planet all legitimately believe they’re the good guys.

        Almost no one sees themselves as a villain, that’s just how the human brain is wired.

        People not understanding this, is why evil shit keeps fucking happening.

        If you just keep writing them off as “villains” doing evil for the sake of evil, we’ll never learn how to stop it. That literally why they keep coming back.

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          Pretty unanimously, the most evil people to walk the planet all legitimately believe they’re the good guys.

          Nah, the majority of evil people are doing stuff that benefits them personally, not for some misguided altruistic purpose that makes for good villains in fiction. Trump, Putin, and all of the rest sre just looking out for themselves and sometimes their families/contacts at the expense of everyone else.

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            Yes, but they honestly believe that’s the right thing to do. Or at least they’ve convinced themselves that it’s excusable. They believe they have a right to do things for themselves at the expense of others. That’s why they won’t ever have remorse. It takes more intelligence to empathize with others; they don’t have that. It’s actually kinda sad.
            People who wig out and do what they know is evil are very distraught, and often suicidal.

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                But it does describe an embattled hero surrounded by villains on the snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

                Heroes kill people all the time in stories. We don’t disparage the hero because they killed because it was for a good cause. And like imagine if the hero didn’t kill the bad guy and next week you’re dealing with the bad guy again. Clearly RFK and friends are fighting the good fight and have to defeat the bad guys once and for all.

                Obviously to me it’s BS but the point is that they might see the bad stuff and justify it because of the greater good or whatever. We’ve learned through countless tales that ends don’t justify the means and doing bad things for the greater good is usually bad and often terrible. But we also have an imagination and empathy. And know how to read.

                Fiction is full of stories that teach you right from wrong. The distinction gets more complicated as we get older so we use stories to explore the ideas. WE do that, our current leaders do not. And because of that they are lacking in empathy and didn’t see the patterns that they are following. And don’t see the history that they are rhyming with.

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      But they get validation. It’s not just that they think their ideas and information is correct. They are correct and doctors and entire industries are wrong or corrupt. That makes them smarter than those eggheads that went to school for sometimes a decade and have spent further decades with their face in a microscope. After decades of education and dedicated research somehow Cletus from BFE, Dumbfuckistan and Google was able to best them intellectually.

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      And your explanation for the ones who always get the vaccines themselves but spread lies about how other people shouldn’t?

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        Science has become political, projecting an antivax attitude resonates with the rubes. Nothing more to it.

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    They aren’t causing trouble for themselves as they will always have access to the vaccines that they need.

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    eugenics

    if the people human livestock who need medical treatment to live are allowed to die, then the babies of the survivors will be cheaper to maintain because they’ll need less medical treatment

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      “God will protect us. He has sent judgement on those unworthy” also contributes. Not directly eugenics, but damn fucking close

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    Remember the death camps, weaponized viruss’ and population control they accused the left of doing?

    Turns out it was projection the entire time

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    It’s all about control.

    If you can convince your cannon fodder to disregard their own health outcomes, you can convince them to go along with pretty much anything.

    Then you just hand them their marching orders, and they comply, regardless of their personal consequences.

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    State sanctioned dilution of what it means for things to be true. It’s not about the vaccines, it’s about getting people to accept falsehoods.

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    It’s all just more of the MAGA crowds overwhelming need to “own the libs” at all costs. It’s kind of like the flat earth movement. It started off as a joke perpetuated by a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do, but once it grew to a certain point a bunch of people joined in who were too stupid to understand that it wasn’t supposed to be this serious. Now everyone in power is too embarrassed to try and undo any of the harm so they’re all just doubling down even though they know it’s all bullshit because they’d rather everyone think they were right even if it destroys society than to ever admit they might have made a mistake.

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    under capitalism, people just sick enough and certainly scared to be sicker, will not be healthy enough to do other things that may help them realize they don’t need to be exploited. it’s certainly not the only facet of how we are corralled into larger profits for the owners but it is one example.

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    There is scientific evidence that vaccines are extremely dangerous, particularly to those with a mutation called MTHFR (which 50% of us have, in fact). Myself and my producer, Neigsendoig, are a small piece of the proof for that, as we’ve become autistic as a result of vaccines.