• mhague@lemmy.world
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    Conservatives seem to have formulated their response.

    209 Ds + 1 R voting yes to 211 Rs voting no = both parties are corrupt.

    Everyone is on the list, even though Democrats voted yea. In conspiracy world, politicians are a hivemind that act in perfect lockstep. When you see 210 - 211 it means it’s a circus and they don’t care about us and they conspire to swap votes to trick the marks.

    Something 90% of Americans shit out on a daily basis.

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    Delia Ramirez from Illinois and Frederica Wilson from Florida. were the only two Democrats to abstain. the vote would have passed with them.

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    The scariest thing about this is the fact 211 members of congress are willing to go along with this cover up because they are either in on it, or too cowardly to stand up for what’s right.

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      They can’t let us know officially that the laws are only for peasants. It would cause unrest.

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      In an article by Kenn Klippenstein that was shared here recently, he pointed out that the FBI started talking about 1000s of victims instead of dozens, like before.

      So on the one hand there most be a lot of people in those files who have a seat in congress or very close access to them. On the other hand there is plausible reasons to believe this was a huge Mossad blackmail operation, so all the Zionist lobby in the US, which has extensive access to many politicians, is probably make a lot of pushes now too.

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        I don’t think there is some conspiracy. I think, like you said, the files list a large amount of people with only anecdotal evidence. Some people are likely voting because they’re concerned their name is on their. But I think voting to not release the files is more about being able to control the narrative. Without it released you can claim to have read it and seen your rivals listed, once it’s released you can’t make things up anymore.

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Alleged_connections_to_intelligence_agencies

          Epstein was rumored to be associated with Intelligence agencies.[292] The U.S. journalists Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin and James Robertson linked Epstein to the Israeli Mossad in their book Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales. They relied for the most part on the former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe.[293] According to him, Epstein’s activities as a spy served to gather compromising material on powerful people in order to blackmail them.[294] There is also a possible connection to the Mossad via Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is said to have had contacts with the Mossad.[295] Epstein’s victim Virginia Giuffre also alleged Epstein to be an intelligence asset, linking on Twitter to a Reddit page, that alleged Epstein was a spy, running a blackmail operation.[296]

          As U.S. Attorney in Florida, the later U.S. Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta reached a settlement with Epstein’s lawyers (including Alan M. Dershowitz) in 2008, which allowed him to receive a very light prison sentence. Acosta later reportedly stated that he was told that Epstein “belonged to intelligence” and that the issue was above his “pay grade.” According to Acosta, he was pushed to give him a good deal.[297] Former CIA Director and diplomat William J. Burns met with Epstein three times. According to a CIA spokesperson, Burns hoped that Epstein would help him “transition to the private sector.”[298]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case

          The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and “a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia”. He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[58]

          Shortly before Maxwell’s death, Ari Ben-Menashe, a former employee of Israel’s Military Intelligence Directorate, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror’s foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that, in 1986, Maxwell informed the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel’s nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[59]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death

          Murder was ruled out by the judge and, in effect, so was suicide.[65] His son discounted the possibility of suicide, saying, “I think it is highly unlikely that he would have taken his own life, it wasn’t in his makeup or his mentality.”[10] Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[67] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.[68][69] Herzog delivered the eulogy, and the Kaddish was recited by his fellow Holocaust survivor, friend and longtime attorney Samuel Pisar.[70]

          Also note how the recent denials from Israel are extremely agressive https://time.com/7302177/epstein-mossad-israel-intelligence-naftali-bennett/:

          The Israeli politician on Monday said he had “100% certainty” that Epstein did not have any ties to the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, or the country itself.

          “The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false,” Bennett said in a post on X. “There’s a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people, and we just won’t take it anymore.”

          EDIT: Also note that Israel is notorious for harboring fugitive child abusers. Israel is strategically building on child rapists to support them.

          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/

          https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-25/ty-article/.premium/tip-of-the-iceberg-how-foreign-sex-offenders-find-refuge-in-israel/00000182-3532-d7e9-af96-3d73c52c0000

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      Sick the Dems did nothing when they had control too and are now grandstanding what they knew would fail. It’s fucked up all the way around, this is just the latest round of sickening.

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    So 211 of them all admit it exists, at least. Good first thing to pin to them, and ask why their lord and savior thinks it doesn’t exist.

    “Do we think its part of his mental decline or his unwillingness to have his name read out?”

    Also, just to edit myself and add a little something:

    “If you feed a terrorist or fund a terrorist, you’re a terrorist.” - your enigmatic W. Bush.

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    Well now, that’s an actual play by the Democrats, I’m a little surprised. Of course the Republicans have to vote against it because they have to protect President Smooth Brain, but this then drags out the story over another news cycle when Trump is desperate for people to stop talking about it.

    Now, all this means nothing because the base will eventually get to “it’s ok for Trump to have raped those girls because he was saving them from the evil Democrats who would have done worse” but at least there’s a small moment where I can imagine things matter.

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      This is the longest I’ve seen his base angry at Trump & Republicans for. He got ratioed on Truth Social for the first time ever. He’s also doing something he rarely does - telling his base directly that their concerns don’t matter to him. Republicans usually manufacture away around issues that still pretends to care about their concerns, but they are not doing that well here

      I can’t fully predict the future think this leaves a wound that not all the base comes back from and that matters. If say 10-20% of MAGA people don’t return, that weakens his grip on power. Some percentage going away enables a permissions structure for future criticism on other issues. Wannabe authoritarians need zero criticism to be acceptable to their followers because the tiniest bit can snow ball

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        He’s also doing something he rarely does - telling his base directly that their concerns don’t matter to him.

        This is such a key.

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      It’s a great play.

      Every single Democrat running against these assholes next November will be able to say the Republican candidate voted against the release of the Epstein files. That’s their headshot in the debates. “Representative X voted against the release of the Epstein Files” is an easy campaign strategy.

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        You have to be better than that.

        (In a scary voice, with a black and white teddy bear on a child mattress in the background. ) “Representative X voted AGAINST investigating child molesters and instead voted FOR granting them additional protections!”

        Don’t say Epstein files.

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          I think you need both. It’s clear that Republicans are pro rape and only parrot being against pedophilia, but I don’t think they’ve drawn the connection between that and the Epstein files.

          You gotta bust out the crayons and connect the dots for them so that they are fighting the same fight as us.

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    Very good, House Dems. Now keep doing it–introduce another 99 bills to do the same between now and the next presidential election (if there is one), which would be as many as the number of times House republicans introduced bills to repeal the ACA (and that only counts their bills through 2017, which was the latest date I found a source for).

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    What’s the phrase Republicans use again? “If you did nothing wrong then you should have nothing to worry about”

    Talk about karma

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      That’s not karma. That’s just hypocrisy .

      They will never experience karma. America is apparently filled with pedophiles and pussies.

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        This isnt even true. It was proven recently that they can experience karma. Surprising, abrupt and unabashed.

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    If there is a silver lining to all this, it’s the absolutely amateurish way they have gone about covering all this up. From the “raw” video with 3 minutes cutout to the flip flopping on the existence of the list. These are bad people clearly making this up as they go along, and not evil masterminds executing part 10 of a well thought out plan.

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      Yeah, they’re not the world’s brightest people. . Bigots normally aren’t. They are townies, they don’t know their ass from the hole in the ground.

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    Apparently these are the ones to work on: "The nine Republicans who chose not to vote were: Andy Ogles (TN), Michael McCaul (TX), Thomas Massie (KY), Barry Loudermilk (GA), Wesley Hunt (TX), Morgan Lutrell (TX), Mark Green (TN), Monica De La Cruz (TX), and Buddy Carter (GA). "

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      I would guess that these are the seats that are more contested, allows them to act like they are against something while they know they have the votes to pass it theor way anyway.