Ok, I am not supporting bestiality here. But, I just came to know about a Dogxim, a dog fox hybrid and I had known for a long time that horses and donkeys can breed (to produce a mule). So, I was just curious, can humans breed with any other animals closely related to us?

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      Why else would I ask that question? Completely unrelated but you won’t happen to have any goats nearby, would you?

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    Homo sapiens are the last remaining species of hominina. Our closest remaining relatives, the Pan (chimpanzees and bonobos) diverged at least 6.5 million years ago. Though there is some evidence early hominina may have interbred with pan after the divergence as recently as 4 mya.

    This is more recent than dogs and foxes by a long way, and about the same as donkeys and horses. That, plus chromosomal analysis and some other research suggests it could be possible for a human and chimp or bonobo to interbreed, though likely not create fertile offspring. However, there has never been a confirmed case of this occurring, despite multiple claims.

    Edit: useful articles:

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        We’re talking way earlier than cavemen. The last interbreeding between our ancestors and chimps’ ancestors happened (using the most recent estimate I could find) a million years before the least recent evidence of the use of any stone tools. This is not a human that would be recognisable at all as a human.

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      Pretty sure that we can’t breed with chimps and generate a fertile offspring due the mismatch on the number of chromosomes.

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      So after reading the wiki, I believe the most likely successful attempt will be to mate a human with downe syndrome, with a chimpanzee. Let’s get on this. I wanna see some atrocities of nature.

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          The wiki says it’s hard with chimps because we have one less chromosome than chimps. Down syndrome: “all my homes got extra chromies”. They have an extra chromosome. Ergo: down syndrome + chimp = hybrid chimpmanzee.

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              Thats how down syndrome works. Look it up yourself, smart guy. People with down syndrome have 47 chromosomes instead of 46. Chimps have 48, so down syndrome people are one closer, by mutation. That means just one more mutation and we’re all set.

              Now start work on making a monkeyboy.

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                An odd pair of chromosomes makes it harder than being off by a pair. Mules are unbreedable due to their odd number of chromosomes.

                We have successfully bred with species further apart, including an alpaca and a llama.

                So yes all the science points to it being possible with humans, but ethically we can’t possibly do that.

                And it is not one more mutation to add an extra chromosome. It’s a loooot more.

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                Are you really this fucking thick? There’s more to genetic compatibility than chromosome count. Otherwise we’d be seeing human–Reeves’s muntjac hybrids. Or chimp-gorilla.

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    Not anymore. We assimilated the neanderthals a long time ago.

    Other close relative species don’t exist anymore.

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    I just found this, so you’ll have to read it too: https://www.the-sun.com/news/3657105/prostitute-orangutan-pony-tragic-story/

    Summary:

    TW: sexual animal abuse

    Female orangutan named Pony was used as a prostitute for years. She was chained to a bed, shaved every other day leaving her with irritated, itchy, sore-covered skin. They also put make-up, perfume and jewellery on her, and taught her to perform sex acts. The local community didn’t want to let her go because she was generating great revenue. In the end it took 35 armed police officers to rescue her.

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    No, not since Neanderthals, Denisovians and friends went extinct.

    Even Neanderthals are a bit of a partial case, since the hybrid males were mostly sterile. We know this from the pattern that Neanderthal genes appear in modern DNA.

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        Uhh, I think there was a Nature article about it. Per the Wikipedia, basically there’s just stretches of the X chromosome that are deserts of Neanderthal DNA, because when a Neanderthal allele is present and there isn’t a second copy, it’s a reproductive dead end and selected out.

        Oh, here.

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          Most people of non-African origin (a fact that helped pinpoint where the mixing happened and when) have 1-3% or so, the amount varying by person and region.

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    Breed with? No, not since we out-bred and out-competed Neandertals. And Denisovans. And at least one other ancestral human subspecies in sub-Saharan Africa. So at least 3 ancient homo sapiens subspecies that we used to interbreed with, but none left now.

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    Conventional prehistory says there used to be animals we could interbreed with, but that we in fact bred with them so much that the hybrids replaced the creatures made to get said hybrid.

    These replaced peoples were, of course, designated members of the homo genus, which Homo Sapiens (the scientific name for humans) gets its name from, and they include things such as (using their common names, not their scientific names) Neanderthals (geographically found in Southern Europe), Denisovans (found mostly to the West, towards Asia), and Hobbits (yes, hobbits, they were found in the Pacific). Nothing of note happened in America.

    The Neanderthals and the Denisovans are of particular note, as their territories overlapped commonly, and there are cave findings that show they themselves interbred with each other and produced perfectly functioning offspring. I can only hope when they were engaging in the act, they asked to mingle and ended it with “no homo”.

    There are, however, reports that, at the same time in prehistory, we did try to breed with other animals that haven’t been replaced, typically the great apes, as evidenced by lice samples found in both us and them, but that this, quite expectedly, didn’t lead to any hybrid outcomes.

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    There used to be Neanderthals (homo sapiens neanderthalensis) and a few others, we basically interbred them out of existence.

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      “Interbred them out of existence” is sort of a bleak way of looking at it. For a lot of people, they’re our ancestors. They’re a part of human history and heritage.

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        Not so sure, except for a last few holdouts in Spain about 40k years ago, who were probably whipped out by natural catastrophe along with regular humans in that area.

        I think we kept diluting their gene pool by having sex with them and out breeding them.

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          With everything you know about humans and our history of causing mass extinction everywhere we settle, of racial violence and irrational fear of anything that is a little bit different, you really don’t think there were any other contributing causes to the mysterious extinction of EVERY SINGLE NON-HUMAN HOMINID ON THE PLANET?

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            For most people, except sub Saharan Africans, we are also talking about our ancestors when talking about neanderthals. Most of those bones we see on museums are probably the great x grandfathers of many people walking past.

            Obviously we have no idea what happened over huge parts of deep human pasts, Neanderthals were a sparse population to begin with, and absorbing their people into the rest of humanity just by fucking is certainly a solution

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        It’s not really called “extinction” from more modern understanding I guess, more like assimilated over a long period of time and from species contact and living with each other.