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*Kills. Still does.
Capitalism continues to kill vastly more people than the inflated claims about communism. Every year 10 million people die from starvation and preventable disease simply because it isn’t profitable to save them. That means that every 10 years capitalism kills as many as claimed in the Black Book of Communism, the source with the highest number of fatalities attributed to communism.
US sanctions alone have killed 38 million people in the last 50 years.
I should add that the Black Book includes ridiculous things like Nazi soldier deaths in WW2, and the hypothetical children that possibly could have been born if things like the 1933 famine or WW2 didn’t happen. I shouldn’t have even called it a source, but anti-communists love treating it like gospel.
Don’t forget India!
Most of Asia, really
Violence & Greed go hand & hand
Always did.
Yeah it’s literally killing people right now.
Can’t pay for shelter, food, water or medicine? Go into debt, jail or the morgue, we don’t give a fuck.
i did some calculations a few years back with some friends on a whim during a sidetracked DnD campaign. we came to the conclusion that capitalism is directly and indirectly responsible for over 20+ million recorded deaths annually all over the world, as a conservative estimate
main contributers were poverty, disease, war, lack of quality healthcare, and state violence.
we also found that the existence of 1 billionaire has an annual death count, purely by subtracting that money from the economic cycle and direct aid. i cant remember now, but it was in the thousands of deaths per billion denied to those in need by hoarding wealth.
billionaires are violent, purely through their existence. and we shouldnt tolerate any form of violence against us.
we should sincerely be dragging these fuckers into the street and ripping them to pieces.
I am fearful about the extreme ignorance, simple mindedness and gullibility of some of the electorate. They are completely blind to the effects of neoliberalism, which is the main guiding force behind the bumptious, odious and fascist/racist Reform party who believe that competition is the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning. Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised; public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve. We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance, and class – that may have helped to secure it. The poor begin to blame themselves for their failures, even when they can do little to change their circumstances.
What?
Including or not including gang violence
Sure yes but I don’t see a workable alternative.
China would like to disagree.
Western culture won’t work like that. Germany is about as far as we go, and that’s still capitalism.
Doesn’t =/= Wouldn’t
This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be.
This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be
Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you’re wrong as GDR is proof it did work.
Nazi Germany is capitalism’s response to Communism.
I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don’t have a good example.
To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon.
I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy.
How old are they?
Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote
"You don’t have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved)
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Capitalism is dominant because it is the only model known to survive with stability long term over massive populations.
Gee I wonder why socialist countries you are thinking of just up and failed?! Just spontaneously happened, no external interference whatsoever, no siree!
Capitalism hasn’t even survived with stability in the short term: it’s yet to manage even a century without a catastrophic crisis.
Capitalism has instability built into its model because it generates inevitable class conflict that has to be resolved through violence. There is no such thing as a stable capitalist state.
They didn’t have to recede to survive, they were fucking killed that’s why they’re not socialist anymore. Because they were all overthrown or sanctioned to hell or invaded.
Lead killed more is still killing and nobody even talks about it.
And are people being exposed to lead because they’re huffing it for fun or because they work within a capitalist system that doesn’t care enough about exposing people to lead?
Plenty of people talk about the issues with lead, what are you on?
lead is banned almost everywhere and the cost of replacing it is too high in e.g. pipes
‘Everything I dislike is capitalism and the more I dislike it the more capitalismer it is’- Karl Marx
Person who has never read a word of Marx but has an opinion anyway
^ how to say you’re an ignoramus who’s never read a book
It makes sense. There are way more people in capitalistic countries than in communist ones
India wasn’t a capitalist country when they colonised us and killed millions of us.
cringe
You gotta put the * * if you want it to emote
